Satchmo in pain?

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I think some of the camera angles were a little funky. But I also suspected, given how well Isabell rode through the issues and how well she knew how to react to get him past it, that this wasn’t something new. And I can’t believe that the horse hasn’t been gone over from stem to stern to try to find a physical issue causing it. I bet her horses have better medical care than I do![/QUOTE]

I would agree with this - of course I have no med. insurance so I KNOW he gets better medical care than ME!

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I actually thought he stepped on himself. But I’ve heard the same thing cef said above now too, from someone who has followed the horse for some time.

He does, it seems, have quite a history of getting nappy like this. That must be why it didn’t look like a spook.

Years ago I had gotten a horse from a big trainer that would do something similar whenever he was asked to do certain things. We had tons of vet workups done, all sorts of stuff. There was nothing wrong. No pain.

For a long time I told myself it was because someone had blown his mind and forced him too much.

And if you want to insist every horse that ever gets nappy has been abused, if you want to think that, no one will be able to change your mind. But I think some horses just don’t want to work for you, and you can’t make them work for you, and they just aren’t going to do it.

In dressage, there isn’t anything you can do to MAKE a horse WANT to work for you. And in dressage, in order to do the work, the horse has to be willing to do it. It’s as simple as that.

I don’t think horses necessarily do these things because they are in pain at all. It is just something that happens. There are many competition horses that over the years, have developed habits like this. Some early on, some after years of competition.

Gifted, for example, simply stopped piaffing in the ring.

No medical stuff, not a question of bad training, and the rider wasn’t forcing him through pain. Carol Lavel is not like that, she just isn’t. He was retired after that. She discussed it very, very openly.

The horse was not a mean or naughty horse. She wasn’t a bad trainer. He was not suffering. He had no pain. She would not have made him work in pain, and she, more than just about anyone, is capable of feeling a horse alter his stride if he is uncomfortable. He just didn’t piaffe in the ring.

At the time I asked the person I was working with what you do in that case. He shrugged and said, ‘You retire them’. Oh well, it happens.

Balkenhol’s horse Goldstern simply developed the habit of looking up into the stands and just - spooking a huge major spook and proceeding to blow the whole test. He was taken off the team. I have a video of Linda Tellington-Jones working with him and telling Balkenhol all about it, and well, it just stayed the same. I could probably think of more cases if I wasn’t so senile.

1.) I think it’s unrealistic for anyone would assume that these riders all ride nothing but perfect horses, that they never get horses with problems or a history. In fact, MOST of the horses these people have achieved great success with have been very challenging in one way or another.

2.) I also think it’s unrealistic to assume that if a person is skilled enough, they can erase all traces of every problem. THat’s unrealistic.[/QUOTE]

I have been told more than once that the greatest horses all seem to have their quirks that you need to learn to live with. More quirks than the not so great horses.

Now that’s funny! You’d think once the horse saw all those teeth in her, the horse would be thinking the same thing :lol::lol:

This is what I saw as well, and the reason for my post. I DVR’d it and have watched it several times. Even in the trot exercises, the right hind is dragging more than the left, maybe it’s a little hock inflammation?? It was really noticeable at the walk exercise, after the blow up.

Not hock, foot. It wasn’t making him hitchy further up like a hock problem. I think that when he acted up, he stepped on himself.

Initially I thought he acted up BECAUSE he stepped on himself (he moves very close behind anyway). But when I looked at a couple pictures from different angles, I can see he’s just getting nappy.

:lol: but seriously… Anky is a really beautiful woman. My husband often comments when he sees pics of her that he wishes all dressage riders looked like her, he’d be more willing to go to shows…

I thought he was lame even before the whole explosion. The walk just showed how obviously lame he was, but you can see it in the trot espically in the extentions. He just always moves akwardly with it. But then again thats just MHO

That’s exactly what I thought. I saw him way short in the right hind and very uneven behind throughout the whole test in both the walk AND trot. But what do we know? :lol:

Exactly, and if it were just that he stepped on himself, why did he blow up in both tests? If it were due to that, he would have just blow up once… when he stepped on himself.
I think the horse was ouchy and that movement was too painful. JMHO… those types of movements are hard on the joints!!
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I thought he was not moving well throughout also and that there was a physical issue. I didn’t think he looked to good even before the blow-up. I really don’t understand why they got the Silver. Were the medals based on cumulative scores, and if so, someone mentioned he blew up in a prior test also, so why were the cumulative scores high enough for a silver? How bad were the other horse/rider combos that this pair got silver? It just seems to me that there was some pre-conceived prejudice in favor of this pair.

OK, go ahead everyone and yell at me now, LOL. I thought Anky’s ride was gorgeous. No comparison in how well she and her horse went.

Satchmo in pain ?

Yes three times exactly on the same spot :smiley:

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:lol: but seriously… Anky is a really beautiful woman. My husband often comments when he sees pics of her that he wishes all dressage riders looked like her, he’d be more willing to go to shows…[/QUOTE]

Really? I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. At least she had her teeth fixed. Sorry, I don’t see it. :frowning:

Me neither!

She still has large teeth, it’s the first thing you notice about her. She does sit a horse well though with those long legs, that’s what matters in the ring… and how she gets her horse to perform!
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All I can say is…

yeah, I noticed the teeth. But thank God (or whoever) that the looks of the rider is not under the collectives. I would be so scr*%^d.

Satchmo in pain ?

Yes three times exactly on the same spot

thanks Bahahmama…I was thinking the same thing.

I’m sure you all look like supermodels with perfect teeth, right?

Yeah. Right.

Picking at someone’s personal appearance like this is pretty damned low. How would you like it if you rode in the Olympics (or say, any horse show) and people said you had ugly teeth?

That was kind of my point

if poorly expressed.

Glad no one is judging my teeth along with my riding!
(The riding is bad enough)