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For those who have grooms sign as trainers, are the grooms members of USEF?
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For those who have grooms sign as trainers, are the grooms members of USEF?[/QUOTE]
Yes, you have to be a member or pay a non-member fee per show and be subject to discipline for that show. All the ones I know of are members.
And to whoever said that Kathy needs to stop posting on FB, yes she does. It is painful to watch the train going off the rails with the story that really doesn’t hold water and the threats of a lawsuit when exhibits 1 and 2 are going to be her FB posts.
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I bomb proofed my horse by doing a million watching-paint dry baby dressage tests and going to any show ground with an open-to-the-public event within 35 miles-- even when we stood out like a ridiculous sore thumb (hello giant gangly baby warmblood lapping peanut rollers at an open Wenglish QH type show). And then he went cross country schooling and baby foxhunting.
And then, lo and behold, he had seen the world and could go to busy H/J shows and keep his pants on. Was he always perfect? No. He had a pretty spastic Devon HUS his 3 year old and 4 year old years. But I prefer time/miles over drugs. We got there… and starting at around 5 years old he became a real solid character A/A horse who could go and show anywhere reliably.
No drugs necessary. Maybe a little more patience, but maybe that’s a big part of the problem?![/QUOTE]
Totally agree this is the way to go. BUT we are talking about trainers that are on the road, I don’t know, 35-40 (or more?) weeks per year. And clients that probably don’t even ride their horse unless their trainer is present. So, they aren’t going to be going to local “yeehaw” shows to expose their horses to chaos. They aren’t even going to the local h/j circuit shows. That wouldn’t make enough money for the trainer.
So, instead you have prominent people publicly stating that calming agents should be legal.
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Totally agree this is the way to go. BUT we are talking about trainers that are on the road, I don’t know, 35-40 (or more?) weeks per year. And clients that probably don’t even ride their horse unless their trainer is present. So, they aren’t going to be going to local “yeehaw” shows to expose their horses to chaos. They aren’t even going to the local h/j circuit shows. That wouldn’t make enough money for the trainer.
So, instead you have prominent people publicly stating that calming agents should be legal.[/QUOTE]
Or just use a “calming agent” without a banned substance in it. That would be a step in the right direction.
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I hate to be cynical but it seem like “if enough people talk about it on the forums” COTH writes an article. Not necessarily based on strict newsworthiness or a desire to be an unbiased news source but rather to get eyes on what people want to read/talk about. There have been plenty of newsworthy events that didn’t get similar COTH coverage. I think they use the boards as a gauge for interest.[/QUOTE]
Just a note, this is absolutely not how we at the Chronicle decide to cover any news events. Our coverage of the recent GABA rulings (i.e., contacting the parties involved, getting quotes, writing a news item) began immediately after publication of the hearing notices and before this thread began.
Our coverage is in fact based on objective newsworthiness; we go through the USEF hearing rulings whenever they’re published. We have an editorial policy to report on GABA rulings and other noteworthy rulings, as well as every FEI yellow card received by a U.S. rider. (http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/alden-suspended-gaba-violation & http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/top-trainers-respond-tough-usef-penalties)
And, in reference to the Tina Konyot news, the BB thread was in response to our news story (http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?471857-Tina-Konyot-FEI-Yellow-Card-Hilarious-or-Embarassing).
We make every effort possible to be an unbiased news source.
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Totally agree this is the way to go. BUT we are talking about trainers that are on the road, I don’t know, 35-40 (or more?) weeks per year. And clients that probably don’t even ride their horse unless their trainer is present. So, they aren’t going to be going to local “yeehaw” shows to expose their horses to chaos. They aren’t even going to the local h/j circuit shows. That wouldn’t make enough money for the trainer.
So, instead you have prominent people publicly stating that calming agents should be legal.[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe you can’t do it and be on the road 24/7 and win all the everythings… but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. It just means it can’t be done without compromise. I’ll compromise some time and ribbons. Guess some people won’t!
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Or just use a “calming agent” without a banned substance in it. That would be a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure any “legal” calming agent just doesn’t work.
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Just a note, this is absolutely not how we at the Chronicle decide to cover any news events. Our coverage of the recent GABA rulings (i.e., contacting the parties involved, getting quotes, writing a news item) began immediately after publication of the hearing notices and before this thread began.
Our coverage is in fact based on objective newsworthiness; we go through the USEF hearing rulings whenever they’re published. We have an editorial policy to report on GABA rulings and other noteworthy rulings, as well as every FEI yellow card received by a U.S. rider. (http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/alden-suspended-gaba-violation & http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/top-trainers-respond-tough-usef-penalties)
And, in reference to the Tina Konyot news, the BB thread was in response to our news story (http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?471857-Tina-Konyot-FEI-Yellow-Card-Hilarious-or-Embarassing).
We make every effort possible to be an unbiased news source.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I stand corrected. But it does seem like they are often “newsworthy” rulings that never materialize into COTH article (i.e. SS’s series of wrist slaps that proceeded him being on the cover of USHJA In Stride magazine) but it’s all but guaranteed that if people post a lot on the forums–an article shows up.
For pure newsworthiness I guess I am surprised that yellow cards are a must write and child molestation isn’t?!
I guess the “any GABA violation” get an article rule is newish?
https://www.usef.org/documents/rules/hearingcommittee/2012/decemberrulings.pdf
And why does any GABA violation got an automatic article but other drug violations don’t? I find that kind of puzzling.
If you say the article was in the works pre-thread I don’t have any reason to doubt it-- but it’s not as though COTH is doing exposes or uncovering violations (which was really my point) you’re just reporting after-the fact on something that was already public record.
Obviously you can cover whatever you want however you want. At the end of the day, it’s your choice.
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I’m pretty sure any “legal” calming agent just doesn’t work.[/QUOTE]
I am pretty sure you are right, or at least they don’t work well enough to produce a kicking quiet hunter. A supplement without a banned substance might take a slight edge off a young horse when it first gets to a show with all of the stimuli but it certainly won’t let you loop the reins and lope around a high performance course.
The fact is, a very well known, successful horse testing positive is more newsworthy than a mediocre, relatively unknown horse from a small time barn testing positive, so I think it’s perfectly fair to cover this particular story but not every single positive test ever.
If Joe Schmoe from Anytown, USA is arrested for possession of marijuana, it probably won’t even make the local news, but if a celebrity were in the same situation it would more than likely receive media attention. Same idea.
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The fact is, a very well known, successful horse testing positive is more newsworthy than a mediocre, relatively unknown horse from a small time barn testing positive, so I think it’s perfectly fair to cover this particular story but not every single positive test ever.
If Joe Schmoe from Anytown, USA is arrested for possession of marijuana, it probably won’t even make the local news, but if a celebrity were in the same situation it would more than likely receive media attention. Same idea.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough but given that grooming and molesting a child can be a CRIMINAL violation in addition to a USEF rule violation–seems pretty newsworthy to me. Luckily not too many penalties handed down for that, but even if it involved a non-BNT-- it seems fairly newsworthy!
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Well, maybe you can’t do it and be on the road 24/7 and win all the everythings… but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. It just means it can’t be done without compromise. I’ll compromise some time and ribbons. Guess some people won’t![/QUOTE]
Right. Maybe take horse on the road with you and do whatever you need to do to keep everyone safe but if that involves breaking the rules then don’t show. If you can be safe and drug free but still not show worthy then don’t show. Take the horse everywhere and ride in all the rings but don’t put on a back number. If that doesn’t work for you then find a different program where trainer is home more or goes to other types of shows. (The “you” in this post is general).
[QUOTE=vxf111;8271837]
Well, maybe you can’t do it and be on the road 24/7 and win all the everythings… but that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. It just means it can’t be done without compromise. I’ll compromise some time and ribbons. Guess some people won’t![/QUOTE]
I will assume the “you” is the collective you and not aimed personally at me. Because I said I agree with you.
I’m pretty sure most BNTs aren’t going to “compromise” and reduce their income significantly by not being on the road as much. So, clients either have to foot the bill for young horse to go to WEF/HITS/Tryon/etc. for weeks of non-showing experience (cha-ching) or we get to the point that prominent people are advocating for legalizing calming agents because they don’t think there is another way.
Or you can just import horses from Europe that are already “show seasoned” and show them in the Pre-Greens since they don’t have a USEF show record - LOL
I think it could be a good idea to have any one of several illegal substances on hand for baby horse’s first show. Maybe baby horse is going to freak out so badly that someone is going to get hurt. But as someone above said, that’s when you take baby horse out for a trial run - not when you are planning on taking baby horse into the show ring. Or you scratch.
Collective you 
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Okay, I stand corrected. But it does seem like they are often “newsworthy” rulings that never materialize into COTH article (i.e. SS’s series of wrist slaps that proceeded him being on the cover of USHJA In Stride magazine) but it’s all but guaranteed that if people post a lot on the forums–an article shows up.
For pure newsworthiness I guess I am surprised that yellow cards are a must write and child molestation isn’t?!
I guess the “any GABA violation” get an article rule is newish?
https://www.usef.org/documents/rules/hearingcommittee/2012/decemberrulings.pdf
And why does any GABA violation got an automatic article but other drug violations don’t? I find that kind of puzzling.
If you say the article was in the works pre-thread I don’t have any reason to doubt it-- but it’s not as though COTH is doing exposes or uncovering violations (which was really my point) you’re just reporting after-the fact on something that was already public record.
Obviously you can cover whatever you want however you want. At the end of the day, it’s your choice.[/QUOTE]
Wrist slaps aren’t really all that interesting, and COTH does not provide editorials documenting owner/staff opinions on anything. It’s really not surprising that COTH didn’t weigh in on whether or not Scott Stewart deserved to be on the cover of In Stride. That’s not what the magazine does. This is also the reason that COTH only reports after the fact on events that are already on public record. COTH is not the police, or the judge, or the jury.
Again, COTH is not the police, the judge, or the jury. Everyone knows that child molestation is a crime, but it is not a topic that is in keeping with what the magazine is about. The magazine is Chronicle of the Horse, not Chronicle of the Horse, Special Victims Unit. GABA has been a horse-related topic that COTH has covered for the last couple of years, so it makes sense that these latest suspensions would be covered in the magazine.
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I’m pretty sure any “legal” calming agent just doesn’t work.[/QUOTE]
Legal calming agent is an oxymoron, because anything that alters the behavior of the horse is not legal.
Legal and unable to detect aren’t the same thing, though they can effectively be the same thing.
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Legal calming agent is an oxymoron, because anything that alters the behavior of the horse is not legal.
Legal and unable to detect aren’t the same thing, though they can effectively be the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I knew someone would say that, which is why I put legal in quotations.
Or, I don’t know, the OWNER could take her OWN HORSE to local yokel schooling shows and doodle around the show grounds. Once that is a non event she can decide if it’s worth paying ziliions to cart the poor thing off to some week-long A show to learn how to be a big horse.
