Schooling Show Costs (Texas)

I would go with the flow because there will be tears and disappointment if you pull out at the last minute (I understand show is very soon?).

If this is a high standards schooling show an 8 year old will not be able to learn to put in hunter quality braids in one week. It’s a big job even for a skilled adult and can take about an hour. And needs to be done at 6 am the day of the show. Frankly $35 is a bargain.

This seems to be a pretty cheap show all told, the only question really is what’s included in Day Fee and Trainer Fee. Say you knocked $50 off day fee. Or $100. Its still $300 or $350.

Showing is expensive, and if you are more DIY you save some money but maybe spend more on trailering. Or are less successful if you can’t get your horse prepped. I mean OP and kid are in no position to go to a show DIY at this point.

On the other hand you can learn a lot from this experience and maybe a few more full support shows, that will be useful if you want to DIY later.

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I really hope this show series succeeds! I can’t come to this one, but will try to make future ones.

This pricing is VERY VERY reasonable. It’s a nice facility, with two big indoor rings. The trainer fee is low. Those are long long days for those trainers. And it’s not just your daughter’s actual saddle time. A lot goes into a horse show day. The haulling is cheap too. Many barns have a $100 or so minimum. A hauling rig is very expensive to buy and maintain.

Good luck and have fun. Showing is very expensive, and this show series is way at the low end of the expense range.

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We’re definitely going on with the show. She has been working so hard and everyone who has seen her ride definitely feels she is ready, plus it will be a wonderful learning experience. Again, because I’m new to this, I just wanted some basis for comparison on costs. I have discussed the expense with my daughter because I think it’s important that she be aware even at the age of 10. We will be taking a significant break from riding over the summer due to trips and other camps, so the cost is actually coming out to be even if she just did lessons and no show. Scribbler is exactly right that we’re in no way ready for a DIY, but it will give us some goals to work towards in the future and now I know better what to ask and expect. Also, that $150 is including the use of the horse, and 2 coaches/trainer…which, is fine for this time. We’ll know better in the future what to ask for. Thank you all again!

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I hate it when my kids are sad and disappointed, but tears and disappointment cannot be deciding factors for a family on a budget. There are a lot of things I would love to do with myself and my kids, and they’re sad and disappointed when we can’t do them all, and sometimes people cry. We only have the money we have. This kid is old enough to be involved in the decision - $399 now and we sacrifice a month of riding we would have done sometime in the identifiable future, maybe at the end of the season, or ride more consistently and try to save up (birthday/holiday money, allowance, lemonade stand, doing yard work for the neighbors) for a big show at the end of the season next year.

I’m going to respectfully disagree with Scribbler on braids. The show may have high standards, but what will happen if the kid doesn’t meet them? Possibly, the judge will ding the horse for turnout and the kid won’t win. Do you expect to win? Is winning at this schooling show - the first she has ever been to, the first the horse has been to, the first the trainer has taken the barn to, after four lessons with this trainer - likely? Is it important? Kids on budgets do their own braids. She can practice in that post-lesson barn time she gets twice a week. I suppose crappy or missing braids could make the barn look cheap. This barn is five horses who live in a field. No amount of professional braiding is going to make the facility look really polished.

I also posted on this thread on the Eventing Board, and I still stand by what I said there; You don’t know what the horse is like off the property or what the trainer is like at a show. What if the horse is spooky in new places? What if the trainer doesn’t know how to handle a little kid who gets flustered in the warm-up and turns out to be a yeller who makes your kid cry? Kids can learn how to handle those things, but they are really overwhelming when they are surprises. Go as a spectator and compete another time.

That said, I’m wondering if there might be a misinterpretation of costs here. Under “Competition Day $174” - shavings, stall, entry fees, and medic also add up to $ 174, and seem like they might be fees you would encounter on a competition day. It could just be a coincidence, but I think it’s worth checking.

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The $150 trainer fee is the only thing that could look high to me, but it all depends on what it included. If you hauled out Friday, schooled, and the trainer did the care of the horse Friday PM and Saturday and then prepped and coached Saturday, well, then that’s reasonable. If it was just for coaching on Saturday then it seems high…BUT, if I read it correctly that only two students went to the show, that could do it. Many trainers charge a higher fee when less students attend a show to offset the otherwise loss of income they’d experience from not doing lessons at home.

Training and care fees always seem high until you consider if from the POV of the trainer. A trainer charging just $50 for coaching at a show where two students attend earns just $100 for more than likely a half day’s work - if not a full day - and will also then miss out on any regular money making opportunities at home (lessons and training rides).

Requiring to stable overnight may seem like an unnecessary cost until you consider trying to get all the horses trailered to the show, settled in, schooled, and ready to show with beginner riders who are unfamiliar with the routine. If someone’s in an 8am class, it just gets to be too much, and the horses and riders are set up for success much better by staying over. Etc.

Now there’s certainly trainers who take advantage, and you should absolutely clarify what the $150 was for exactly.

ETA if the $150 includes coaching and the use of the horse for the show, that seems very reasonable to me.

Showing is expensive. It sucks. When I was 13, my parents paid for 1 lesson a week and 1/2 of a half-lease on a school horse and 1/2 of show costs. I paid for my second lesson each week and half of the lease and show costs. I earned money by watering plants and taking care of pets for neighbors who were traveling, walking dogs mid-day for neighbors who worked full time, and babysitting until I was old enough to have a real job. Though it felt unfair at the time compared to my friends who were being bought $10k horses and didn’t have to contribute at all, I would never change how my parents handled it. It made me aware of the privilege and personally responsible for my participation in a very expensive sport. I still ride while most of my childhood barn friends have long since quit.

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Taking the horses the night before and the $150 seems out of line to me, also for a schooling show braids are not usually necessary/sometimes not allowed… you say these are “pasture horses” so this will be quite different for them and who knows how they will react. Best of Luck!!

Agreed with many others - the only thing that seems high is the $150/day trainer fee. I’m more used to the $75/day (non-showing days not included) range, but those trainers typically will not go with less than five or so students showing.
Class fees are cheap; even at schooling shows it’s hard to find them under $20/class these days.
Braiding fee is cheap, but is it really necessary at a schooling show? :: shrug :: some trainers require the full get-up at schooling shows.
Stall fee is normal.
Shavings is high, but assuming $8/bag and you get three bags, pretty normal. The venues I’ve been at allow you to bring your own, though, they don’t force you to buy their grossly inflated price ones.
Trailering, unknown if reasonable without knowing the distance, but probably is.

Quoted “Taking the horses the night before and the $150 seems out of line to me”.

Strongly disagree. My horse’s comfort matters. $55 is a small price to pay for him to have a place to relax during the show. Plus, avoiding the added stress to him of hauling at wee hours of the morning, and showing the same day in hot weather. Plus, a chance to get in the ring the day before – much better and safer for horse and child.

$150 is cheap too for all that the trainers do all day so the kids can have a good show.

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I’m a parent of a small child who shows. We don’t have the option to sho the day before and this 5:30 wake up times to load ponies and get to the show for 8:00 course walk are no fun for the kids (I trailer the pony). I wouldn’t mind giving the pony a school at the venue the day before so if this is the plan and reason for going a day ahead (especially if the Horse hasn’t been to a show) then shipping in a day early is a good idea. Otherwise it may be just trying to be easy (I say this again with experience of shipping in 4 ponies and the kids to go with them with a trainer and myself to run everything).

Ah then it’s a nice capstone to her riding year!

Yeah I figured it was sticker shock rather than absolutely could not afford :slight_smile: because if that was the case you would have just cancelled not asked for advice.

If kid was going to be riding intensely all summer it might make more sense to do a show in August but if she’s taking a break for the summer, this works really nicely to finish off the year.

It is nice as a spectator going to a show with a lot of kids all dressed up and serious but happy, and many of them riding very well. Horses all groomed. If you want to see what’s involved in sewn in hunter braids, there are many videos on YouTube :slight_smile:

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I don’t see how the horses will be that comfortable going the day before since they are described as “pasture horses” so they are not used to overnights. I understand all that trainers do, but not sure this price tag is in line with trainer’s and horses’ experience.

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I posted at the same time you did. You’re going! Have a great time!

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That seems like a very reasonable breakdown to me, since it sounds like the “trainer” fee is including not just coaching (of a new to showing rider, which means Trainer is really earning their $!) but also use of horse and care/grooming of said equine as well. That braiding charge seems odd to me, firstly as I only ever braid locally for a finals (and around here, even rated C/B shows are often unbraided), and secondly it’s way low for a mane; I pay that for just a tail.

Honestly, I enjoy shipping in myself, and do my own care. But that’s with 20+ years of horse experience under my belt. It is not reasonable to expect a new to showing rider to be doing their own care and turnout; part of what they’re paying for in that trainer fee is learning the standard of care and turnout required to show. It takes a lot of time and experience to learn that, and a lot effort that’s frankly a lot of learning what you don’t even know you don’t know. In a few years with some show experience, maybe she will have the skills to ask about doing her own care and braiding, but understand that part of what you’re getting is learning what those skills are now, and it can be something ask your new trainer about in the context of “Can we work on Susie learning to braid so that she can eventually do her own pony for shows?”

Good luck to your daughter, OP, and I hope she has a fun time at her first show :slight_smile:

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I think the main thing to become used to is the fact that horse shows are about your horse and you. There are two of you. That’s what makes it so expensive. Your horse’s comfort comes first, then yours. Horse shows are a wonderful way to put yourself and your horse buddy under a bit of pressure and have an adventure together. Your trainer will help you, and will tell you not to compare with others, just try your best and appreciate your horse for who he/she is and the level of training he/she is at.

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This thread reminds me I need to get on the stick about seeing if my farm is taking a contingent and has a trailer opening for my guy. I imagine they’ll trailer up in the morning rather than stabling, since we’re only about a half hour away and most of the horses are going to be more comfortable trailering early rather than being stalled.

I’m not planning on braiding, and nobody from my barn has braided in the past for the dressage show run by/held at the same facility. The picture they have on the splash page for the new H/J schooling show series is an unbraided horse. Your barn might have different rules though, and expect you to braid regardless of whether or not the show management cares. When my daughter was competing gymnastics, her gym was pretty casual (surprisingly, the coach was a multi-gold medal winner for Russia back in the day). The girls had the same leos, but could wear their hair any way they liked that didn’t interfere with the activity. Just about ALL the other gyms required the girls to wear identical gelled-down buns.

Heck, I was at the tack shop at the host barn (next to the show grounds), with specific intent to buy show clothes, and the person staffing it swore blind that she would sometimes just wear a t-shirt and jeans for the dressage show. She did mention her trainer didn’t like that, and did not mention whether or not she ever won anything, though ;-).

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The costs don’t seem out of whack, I will say that I won’t pay for my daughter’s pony to be braided at schooling shows. Costs are usually higher when there are fewer people as the trainer has few people to split costs with.

$150 seems high for a trainer fee for a day (we pay $50/day trainer fee and $50/day groom fee for rated shows or schooling shows), is the cost of using the horse part of that or is that in the competition day fee? And what’s thew $174 for that the $150 is not?

Maybe see if you don’t have to braid and if you can get a per mile cost on hauling, we pay $1.00/mile.

Showing is crazy expensive… maybe tell your trainer that you want your child to show, but need to see if there’s a way to cut costs. Also–sometimes you can work at shows to help pay class costs.

When looking at fees where is the charge for trainers meals, lodging and grooming fees. To me that is included in the 150 for trainer fees. And if including use of horse in that that is extremely reasonable

and for a rider and horses that are new to showing coming in ththe night before until you know how everyone will hand.e the stress is the smarter and safer option. Less stress on your daughter and more likely to be a positive experience for her. Plus, seeing riders and horses at levels above her can help motivate her and help her understand why things are done the way they are

I am not saying that cost per mile is not how it is done (because it is), but just want to mention that most people have a minimum trucking fee or a flat rate fee for local situations.

If the horse show is only 10 miles away, you would never find anyone to truck you if they are only going to get paid $20 to get up at the crack of dawn and hang out at a horse show all day waiting to take you home.

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If you want to off-set costs, one (or one’s child) could learn how to braid? Maybe not in time for this particular show, but future ones. Some people braid for B-shows, but many don’t; I don’t think I’ve seen anyone braid for C/schooling shows – it was not against the rules, but generally not encouraged and you may not get extra points. I’ve braided my own, because I know how to, and my trainer said “you’ll be the only one braided”, but I didn’t care. It looks nicer in the pictures and horse needed practice standing for braids anyway. To me, $35 for braiding is cheap, about 1/2-1/3 of what people pay on the A circuit, or 1 tail, or what it cost like 20 years ago.

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Most people braid for h/j schooling shows around here but is not mandatory.

Silly me for not doing the math and thinking there were 2 trainer day fee charges :slight_smile:

Sound like you are getting both coaches and if they are getting the horses there the night before, setting up the stalls, unpacking, riding the horses, going home at 10 pm, getting there by 6 am to feed and braid, the spending a full day coaching, then cleaning the stalls, packing up, and taking horses home, plus getting coffee and hotdogs out of the fee … Well, it’s not that much for the work. Easily 10 plus hours of work, don’t know if owner is getting paid out of this at all, but, well, horses are not a great way to make a living!

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