According to the websites, they cannot have more than 9 desert Arabians in the generation with 16 ancestors. Since the Hungarians closed the book on them in the 1800s, the other seven must be Hungarian Shagya? From what I gather, if the horse has anything other than Shagyas with the Hungarian studbook pedigrees and purebred Arabian, it is not considered a Shagya by the International Shagya Registries which control the breed.
Certainly all the Shagya breeders would welcome any newcomers to the breed.
Viney, NASS has always had an interesting relationship with the International Shagya Registries, so what they say and what the North American horses have in the pedigree are different things.
I don’t know what the newer Shagya registries are up to, there was a political schism a few years ago and two registries split, thus the Performance Horse Registry and all the other ones that cropped up. NASS was the only one for many years that was affiliated with the ISG. Don’t know about now.
The European Shagyas are a little different than the ones developed here in North America – Adele Furby emphasized size and bone, the warmblood type, which the Europeans weren’t as interested in, although the breeding program here was monitored and advised by Hungarians and Europeans. There’s an entire line of Shagyas that came from the Hungarian Countess’s line that were bred to be driving horses, believe me, they were huge (like 16++ and wide).
Shandor, one of Adele’s most prolific stallions, was also sabino so many, many Shagyas have high white on the legs and big blazes, but hard to see since he was grey and almost always threw grey.
I was told my big Arab had Western Egyptian Arabian blood on his sire’s side. His Dam had the typical Indraff lines. He was almost 16 hands and about 1,200 pounds weight. His front feet were big. Hinds were but not as flat and round as the front. He had good bone in the legs and was never lame. I do not know if he had any Shagya blood but I had people tell m he was the old Desert War Horse type.
I hit hard times and had to sell him. He went to a Distance rider and he did wonderully in that.
He has probably passed away by now but he was a remarkable horse. Ihve looked at the Shagya and he looked like one of those horses. Perhaps I might look into one of them sometime.
Thank you for all the information and breeder suggestions.
The history of the breed is so fascinating!
I have been watched videos online and simply love the movement, body, everything.
I have an Oldenburg that is 1/2 ottb, 1/4 westphalian, and 1/4 shagya.
He is a great mover and jumper who wins in the small amount of hunter showing I have been able to afford, is loved by all his dressage instructors and starting to knock on the upper level door, has a beautiful refined head that really shows the Arab influence, and is the barn favorite EVERYWHERE he goes.
Also he has been barefoot his entire life on four chromey whites.
Seriously he is like, equine Bon Jovi.
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Reason alone!! You just sold me!!
There is a breeder in KY, Darlene somebody. A friend used to ride with her for dressage lessons. I know very little other than that, but I can get her contact info if you want. I think she was between Louisville and Lexington, but not too sure. PM me if you want me to get her info.
what Kwill said. Mine was a very smooth ride, pretty, and had fantastic feet. But he was/is very reactive and unpredictable. Some days nothing rattles him, some days he’s a total blockhead. He is still very afraid of the lawnmower even though he’s watched me cut the lawn for seven years on the same mower. And he has an attitude and a mind of his own. When he decides he’s had enough or doesn’t want to work…get off! And he’s 10 this year so not baby shenanigans. I’m used to hot horses. I’ve always had arabs and now have a TB so it’s not like I bit off more than I could chew. I finally sold him two years ago to my boarder who witnessed every unplanned dismount that he threw at me and bought him anyway. Recently we’ve decided that he needs to go to a cowboy even though he’s been to several top trainers. We’ll see. I’m glad he’s no longer my problem.
LMH – send me a friend request on FB (Libby Fletcher Henderson there) and check out all the pics of my precious Princess Mare, who is technically Hungarian Felver (She’s half Shagya, half Hungarian)
Wineglass Farm is her breeder, and you should treat yourself and go look at Linda’s horses. Gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous and the best minds you will EVER find. :yes: I don’t like greys, and I don’t do mares – I got talked into both by a (now ex) friend, and I am so very glad I did! I love her to pieces!!
I’m on the Board now of the PShR now, and will be glad to help you with any questions you might have. We do have some sale horses listed on the PShR page: http://performanceshagyaregistry.org/
You NEED one! :lol: We may come up your way later this summer to get a saddle checked and you could meet her! Linda has a full sister to her that is now two, but since *Budapest died earlier this year, none of the mares/fillies are for sale. Which I understand, as mine isn’t for sale either!
Happy looking!
Libby
5 in hand
I am wondering now if, the 5 in hand of "Hungarian arabs, imported as a team and given to Lake Erie College could have been Shagyas:confused: sadly:cry:, I don’t believe any of them are still alive:yes:
There are some lovely horses on that website.
I saw a Shagya stallion at Equine Affaire several years ago and I really liked him - very substantial guy but refined enough that his Arabian heritage was clear. I wish I could remember his name to look him up online.
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Hey, L, make sure you like Arabs before you buy a Shagya Arab. You do know Arabs are known for being different? Of course they are also known for winning all of the endurance rides.
Cloudy has some Shagya Arabs in his bloodline. The Inschallah side.
After your experience with your WB, you need to consider the traits of Arabs before getting one.
Hold off on the flaming! I love Arabs and had I not been 5’8" tall at 12 yoa, I’d have had one of the Lewisfield Arabs from over in Charlottesville.[/QUOTE]
I’m 5’10 (all legs) and all Ive ever owned is Arabs.
OP, if you’re seriously interested in owning one, message me. I have the perfect person for you to talk to. He’s been breeding them for a billion years.
I have owned Arabs all my life and now own 5 Shagyas. they are so NOT reactive!!! every Shagya I owned i rode down the road with 30 days of pro training and they were like rocks. amazing trail horses!! Hardy, level headed. I have 5 from 4 different bloodlines so i think I have a good idea of the breed plus i Have ridden them all over, jumped them etc.
Just got back from a month riding out west on a Shagya who had 30 days of training and she trailered 12 hours, ate and drank the whole way, got there and crossed mountain streams, saw elk, buffalo, cougar and a helicoptor dipping
water out of a lake to put out wildfires and never blinked.
with my other Shagyas who did the same… I have owned warmbloods, arabs, paints AQHA etc and none of them as a whole have the mind and the go of a Shagya.
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if you are interested PM me. I can give u my number and i will fill you in in gross detail.
