Prize money still has not been sent, but I see that Bravo has been removed from the stallion roster, so they are lurking on the boards and receiving their emails. Just not responding. None of this looks good. The longer this goes on the more people believe this program has no money - so the question that begs to be asked - Where’s the money? For a program that states on their homepage, 100% Payback…
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Well, any requests for payouts on their fb page are being deleted and the user blocked. Just found out the the woman defending Laura et al sounds very similar to the one defending A.R.A.B.S. all the way to it’s demise. A lot of fishy stuff was happening with that one too. Darn it, the Arabian sporthorse needs a venue like the Payback program and the BOD should be held accountable for where the prize monies are and why they haven’t been paid out. Their lack of response illustrates their lack of integrity and desire to do the right thing.
This is all going to come to end soon, I know of 2 stallion owners that have formally requested the financials of this Non Profit organization. They now have less than 30 days to provide this information. The emails have been opened, but no response. The speculation of dipping into the cookie jar is becoming more believable every day this goes on without a response or the winner’s receiving their Payback checks.
I urge participating stallion owners to contact Payback and ask for answers. You are the one’s donating your services that is supposed to provide prize money for SHN. If no one is getting the prize money, why donate the breeding?
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This is all going to come to end soon, I know of 2 stallion owners that have formally requested the financials of this Non Profit organization. They now have less than 30 days to provide this information. The emails have been opened, but no response. The speculation of dipping into the cookie jar is becoming more believable every day this goes on without a response or the winner’s receiving their Payback checks.
I urge participating stallion owners to contact Payback and ask for answers. You are the one’s donating your services that is supposed to provide prize money for SHN. If no one is getting the prize money, why donate the breeding?[/QUOTE]
I am glad to hear that action is being taken. At this point, that may be the only recourse left.
I was going to mention A.R.A.B.S. I don’t think this really has much in common with Shannon, she just simply had no idea what she was doing. She had great website design skills, but nothing to back her leadership. I first met her when she brought her then yearling colt to one of the SH In Hand classes at a local show, shortly followed by her organiziation that was going to approve Arabian stallions. I don’t believe that she started out to defraud, she just didn’t know what she was doing.
I don’t think SHP has any similarities. It started out with people dedicated and trying to provide the sport horse the monetary rewards not given by AHA who focuses on halter etc. It was a great program that is now in jeopardy. I hope that this gets sorted out soon, otherwise the exodus will astound us.
I’m not happy with the payouts to horses owned or ridden by board members, those who decide which classes get the money. The perception of propriety is as important as the implemation.
amazes me.
When ABH did the prize money for a few years, nothing like this ever happened. (I miss those auctions too. I found them run much more clearly).
Is this the same ALL ANGLES that did all the nutsiness at the nationals this year? Jrs in AA classes and owners names all over the place. Crazee horses crashing jumps.? ?
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Is this the same ALL ANGLES that did all the nutsiness at the nationals this year? Jrs in AA classes and owners names all over the place. Crazee horses crashing jumps.? ?[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t at Nationals or SHN so can’t speak to crazy horses crashing jumps… BUT I do know that according to datasource, Laura Wood, aka AllAnglos, owned three horses that were transferred from her name at the beginning of SHN to someone else, and then transferred back to Laura’s name at the beginning of Nov. I don’t know about anyone else, but in my book, that demonstrates an utter lack of integrity and is CHEATING.
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I wasn’t at Nationals or SHN so can’t speak to crazy horses crashing jumps… BUT I do know that according to datasource, Laura Wood, aka AllAnglos, owned three horses that were transferred from her name at the beginning of SHN to someone else, and then transferred back to Laura’s name at the beginning of Nov. I don’t know about anyone else, but in my book, that demonstrates an utter lack of integrity and is CHEATING.[/QUOTE]
It was at 2011 sport horse Nationals - there’s nothing in the rules that says one can’t pull this type of thing but everyone knows it’s cheating - I mean it can’t be just for a ribbon – ?? or would she have been entitled to Payback money if her horses would have done well —I don’t really know.
As for the crashing horse - he was upset and not working well with his new owner/rider for the day - I asked Laura ringside what was wrong with her horse b/c he was really spooky - she said, it was the rider. I think --it was cold as hell that day - my brain was freezing–LOL
Anyone heard any news on the payouts?
Someone told me on another forum they supposedly went out 3 weeks ago, so one would hope they’ve been received by now!!
I got an email saying they’ve been sent…I guess that was about a week ago…
The last 2 people I was aware of did receive their checks finally.
BUT, these checks were drawn on a personal account in the name of Laura Wood. At least two others I know of were the same type of check.
I wonder what that means…
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Have any stallion owners heard from the SHN Payback program about whether it lost tax exempt status? From my search of the IRS tax exempt reports (using both the EIN and downloading the entire list of tax exempt organizations and not finding SHN Payback there), it does not appear that SHNP is tax exempt anymore. I would assume that there would have been some notice given to stallion owners as that would mean donations are no longer tax deductible. Has anyone heard anything to that effect? I also could not find any of their organization papers linked to the SHNP website as they were in the past. And finally, although I wanted to pose the question on their facebook page, it appears that the link to post a message has been removed so only SHNP can post on that page. Does anybody know what is going on with the program?
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Not sure about the tax stuff, but I do know that before you decide to buy a breeding thru SHNPayback TALK TO THE STALLION OWNER!!! Many of the stallions listed just stay on this list without the owners knowledge that they are donating a breeding every year. Some of these stallions are deceased without viable frozen available. Some of the stallions on the list are old and no longer breeding.
Funny how they work at Ali Al Saleem (and did when this was originally posted) 
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Stripes - you can download the entire list of IRS tax exempt corps here - note that Sport Horse Nationals Payback nor SHN Payback are on the list):
http://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/mainSearch.do?mainSearchChoice=pub78&dispatchMethod=selectSearch
Also, you can find their EIN number through Guidestar (http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/26-1516486/shn-payback.aspx) and plug that into the IRS search for tax exempt organizations and, again, it indicates that EIN organization does not have tax exempt status.
I agree with this. I found that they had sold a breeding to Apiro when a mare owner contacted me for semen. I had not donated this breeding, but was informed that since I had participated once, that Apiro was permanently enrolled and included a yearly donated breeding. Yeah, not! It took about 6 weeks of me hounding them, but the breeding fee was finally returned to the mare owner. Unfortunately, this upset the mare owner and we lost their business.
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Not sure about the tax stuff, but I do know that before you decide to buy a breeding thru SHNPayback TALK TO THE STALLION OWNER!!! Many of the stallions listed just stay on this list without the owners knowledge that they are donating a breeding every year. Some of these stallions are deceased without viable frozen available. Some of the stallions on the list are old and no longer breeding.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. I found that they had sold a breeding to Apiro when a mare owner contacted me for semen. I had not donated this breeding, but was informed that since I had participated once, that Apiro was permanently enrolled and included a yearly donated breeding. Yeah, not! It took about 6 weeks of me hounding them, but the breeding fee was finally returned to the mare owner. Unfortunately, this upset the mare owner and we lost their business.
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Not sure about the tax stuff, but I do know that before you decide to buy a breeding thru SHNPayback TALK TO THE STALLION OWNER!!! Many of the stallions listed just stay on this list without the owners knowledge that they are donating a breeding every year. Some of these stallions are deceased without viable frozen available. Some of the stallions on the list are old and no longer breeding.[/QUOTE]
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I agree with this. I found that they had sold a breeding to Apiro when a mare owner contacted me for semen. I had not donated this breeding, but was informed that since I had participated once, that Apiro was permanently enrolled and included a yearly donated breeding. Yeah, not! It took about 6 weeks of me hounding them, but the breeding fee was finally returned to the mare owner. Unfortunately, this upset the mare owner and we lost their business.[/QUOTE]
Similar thing happened to me as well. I immediately asked them to REMOVE our stallions. Though, from reading this thread again yesterday and venturing back to the website, I see that our stallions names are STILL listed on this page http://www.shnpayback.org/stallions.xml under Master List Through 2009. So Summer, you will have to contact them directly and get them to remove Apiro from that list as well.
<sigh> It is very disappointing how they have decided to handle things with stallion owners. We donated the breeding in 2010, but I see they have him listed in 2011 although it does not show that he had a sold breeding. He is not on the 2012 or 2013 lists. I can see why he is on their master list since we did donate a breeding.
