I think the difference between ER and ICU should be noted, right?
You can have an empty ER but ICU is full. I don’t know how hospital staffing works but have read mention that many places lack enough staff for the ICU beds they have, due to Covid. People who get seriously sick and need ICU need nurses there, and if ER is full of horse riders with broken feet… well you could see how that impacts ability to tend to Covid patients.
Medical pros please chime in!
I actually broke my toe inside the house (teleworking injury) and not riding. I don’t even have a good story— I just stubbed it on the leg of a chair while waking around sans shoes
sorry didn’t mean you specifically - I shoulda picked a different injury!
I have. I lost my job in February. Looked for work for months in my home state to no avail. In July I lowered my standards and finally relocated to a different state with no family or friends. I’m making a fraction of what I was making last year. I had to sell my horse. Sold all of my belongings. I’m currently living in a 300 square foot efficiency apartment and I am desperately rebuilding my “oh shit” fund. I ran through much of my emergency fund in the five months I was out of work.
On a much more personal note, my grandmother passed from covid on Saturday.
In short, yes, I believe horse shows should be canceled.
If you ride at home you don’t ever get hurt? That’s what I’m beginning to understand from these posts. Do people always get injured at shows and never on their own ring?
If that is the answer I would agree that no one needs to go to a show or for that matter, drive.
Stay safe
LEL, so very sorry about your grandmother.
Thank you, MHM. We are all shocked at how rapidly she declined. My mother is trying to make arrangements. Funerals are limited to graveside and immediate family only. Caskets are on backorder in Texas. To those this does not directly affect, count yourselves lucky. It makes debating horse showing seem rather silly.
I’m so so sorry for your loss, and thank you for this important reminder.
It’s sold out multiple weeks. I will say they did a great job with things during Nov/Dec from what I understand
Most of us on the west coast don’t want to go to Florida, thanks
The whole idea of “If a safety measure/precaution can’t remove the risk of something 110%, what’s the point of doing any precautions at all?” that comes from people like you is absolutely absurd
If you don’t understand the difference between the everyday risks of riding and showing, and the risks of a deadly pandemic, then there’s not much point trying to explain it to you.
Total COVID deaths in USA as of Jan 9, 2021 among those 44 and under: 8,558
Automobile Accident Deaths in the USA in 2018 (last year reported) among those 44 and under : 19,923
I think many of you should stop driving immediately… far too risky.
Right…because it’s only about yourself. Because possibly infecting and killing others isn’t your problem…
Possibly wrecking and killing another person is a real thing! Right?
I’m in total agreement, you should stay home…
Math is hard, facts are pesky…
And what are the stats for those, 70+, the immunocompromised, healthcare workers? Or do we not count those?
I agree; those 70+ and immunocompromised should probably not be doing horse shows during this pandemic. The health care worker statistics are not clear yet… (I’m a physician, FYI)
My point is that there exist many activities that we participate in that have an associated risk not only for ourselves but for others as well, and many of these activities are riskier for the participants than a viral disease that is literally NEVER GOING AWAY, ever. We need to learn to assess risk and make decisions that are consistent, individually and for ourselves (i.e., a founding principle of The United States of America).
And keep in mind… the death statistics for COVID are way over-reported in the 44 and under age group as many people died in this age group for other reasons and just happened to have COVID at the time of death and were therefore categorized as such. The significantly higher risk of death from driving compared to COVID is likely even more pronounced when this is factored in.
I like freedom, warts and all.
I guess my thought is I may not know I have it, so I wouldn’t want to pass it on to anyone who is in those more vulnerable categories. Even more so now that the variants are so much more contagious. For me horse shows are low on my priority list, however I do realize people do have businesses to run.
With a lot of activities we have the choice the do these or not, with some others we don’t. Like grocery shopping. If I can minimize my risk of getting it where I do have the choice, I won’t pass it on to someone where there is not the choice. (I that makes sense…I know- badly written!)
Are the stats over-reported though? Or is this just about the debate whether or not someone died with a pre-existing condition or COVID? Honest question. In my location, we don’t really have that debate…but I’m not in the US.
We had some very well run shows in my area- you had ring times, no spectators, stabling spaced out well, limited vendors, masks on at all times, health checks, limited number of people per entry…two maybe? It can be done but I’m not sure how that would logistically work in the larger show series.
I live in NJ. If I don’t go to the DC and I get hurt and have to go to the ER, I am not clogging up an already overwhelmed ER in California.
If I do go to the DC and I get hurt and have to go to the ER, I am clogging up an already overwhelmed ER in California.
But you know that. As usual, you’re just trying to change the subject because that’s one of the ways people with bad arguments react when they’re backed into a corner by obvious logic on the other side. It’s why it’s impossible to have a logical discussion with someone who is so entrenched and illogical that they would rather drown than admit that water in the bottom of the boat means the boat is leaking.
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