Hmm. So you’re saying ise@ssl was right?
And I really don’t believe she will retire - she’s trolling IMHO for someone to step forward with some big buck horses.
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Hmm. So you’re saying ise@ssl was right?[/QUOTE]
Don’t put words in my mouth please. I said what i said.
Could someone explain in a nutshell Sjef’s background/training/credentials?
I had never heard of him until a few years ago - associated with AvG - like he suddenly arrived as a trainer from nowhere. Please clarify. (I am trying very hard not to type "and I wish he would go back to wherever he came from).
Sorry Theo. Misunderstanding.
In US trolling is also a term for fishing so:
“And I really don’t believe she will retire - she’s trolling IMHO for someone to step forward with some big buck horses.”
is the same as:
"But imho Anky is out on a fishingtrip
and Sjef stated in a recent interview:
“probably I am the victim who has to open my wallet this time”
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Could someone explain in a nutshell Sjef’s background/training/credentials?
I had never heard of him until a few years ago - associated with AvG - like he suddenly arrived as a trainer from nowhere. Please clarify. (I am trying very hard not to type "and I wish he would go back to wherever he came from).[/QUOTE]
As far as I can tell, Sjef Janssen doesn’t have any dressage credentials. He is more a circus trainer than anything.
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As far as I can tell, Sjef Janssen doesn’t have any dressage credentials. He is more a circus trainer than anything.[/QUOTE]
Canticle just for your information one of the best horses in the HongKong Olympics used to be a circus horse :lol:
Theo - could you elaborate on both topics.
I assume you mean Belagur (sp?). I have seen references to the circus - but what is the whole story/facts?
What did Sjef do horsewise before hooking up with Anky?
Did he train with anyone? Compete? Anything?
(Ok - cannot help it - if Sjef was with the travelling circus - it must have been as a contortionist).
If memory serves me right Sjef made the dutch team for the Seoul olympics. Or he made the final selection trial for Seoul. I don’t think he actually competed in those olympics but I could be wrong. I know those were Anky’s first olympic games with Priscoe.
He did make a fabulous grand prix mare named Bo, who was then sold to (then) German rider Sven Rothenberger for an incredible sum of 1 million gilders. Sven married a dutch rider and then rode for Holland not Germany.
Sjef's family are athletes an he took the training of human athletes and applied it to equines.
I've watched Sjef ride and train, so I can definetly attest to the fact that he is not just a groundsman :-)His first horse Oron which he bought as a youngster and which he trained to GP and won silver with in Aachen, was later sold to America. He was also trainer of the USA dressageteam. I know he trained with Johan Hinneman and some other German trainers. At one of the last Global Dressage Forums he made a statement which I very like and support. “Classical (like in dressage and music) is something that don’t have any progress and always will stay the same, so it will get boring”.
Anky and her husband Sjef Jansen met when they both tried to get onto the Dressage team for the Olympics in Seoul 1988. “Anky kicked my ass, joined the team and I had to stay at home”, Sjef tells with a grin. “Have you gotten over it?” “-Never”, he tells and laughs. They both competed on the Dutch team at the European Championships in 1993, Anky on Bonfire, who was only 8 years old at that time and Sjef on a mare called Bo. Now Sjef doesn’t compete anymore and is Ankys trainer. "-Bonfire was very difficult as a young horse. She had lots of problems with him during this time. He was really talented but always had “speeding tickets” and was very, very hot. He was always too quick in the canter and Anky asked if I could help her fix the problem. On the question if Salinero is better then Bonfire he tells “–Yes, I think so” “But you did not like him in the beginning?” “-No, he couldn’t do many things when he arrived and he was very, very strong and he was VERY ugly!”
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“Classical (like in dressage and music) is something that don’t have any progress and always will stay the same, so it will get boring”.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
Sjef should find another hobby!
“he suddenly arrived as a trainer from nowhere”
for something a person knows nothing about, a person makes a lot of assumptions.
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“Classical (like in dressage and music) is something that don’t have any progress and always will stay the same, so it will get boring”.[/QUOTE]
The pursuit of perfection in ridden communication is always boring to those who can’t do it without taking short cuts! 
What an amusing thread! Sounds more like Sjef trying to get more pay. And him coaching the U.S.? No way – not with his training method.
But, an amusing thread to read, no doubt.
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What an amusing thread! Sounds more like Sjef trying to get more pay. And him coaching the U.S.? No way – not with his training method.
But, an amusing thread to read, no doubt.[/QUOTE]
Are you a member of the US selection commission ?
Don’t worry we will take him.:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:
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Are you a member of the US selection commission ?
Don’t worry we will take him.:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:[/QUOTE]
Not sure what a US selection commission is??? But I do know people who are on the US selection committee, if that’s what you meant.
(And yes…you can have him!)
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Not sure what a US selection commission is??? But I do know people who are on the US selection committee, if that’s what you meant.
(And yes…you can have him!)[/QUOTE]
Don’t worry about a selection committee, when Sjef toke the job in Holland he send all these committees home. Maybee something to think about for the US.
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At one of the last Global Dressage Forums he made a statement which I very like and support. “Classical (like in dressage and music) is something that don’t have any progress and always will stay the same, so it will get boring”.[/QUOTE]
As I said before: sports don’t make character, they reveal it.
Please, let’s stop sharing quotes from Anky and Sjef. The gold keeps getting more and more tarnished.
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He probably will/does!
After watching the Olympics I am really surprised that all you posters that are so dead set against “rollkur” never say anything against the jumper riders and only flame Anky. Why is that?:yes:
Did you miss that very beneficial discussion?:lol:
We have already been through all that. THe jumper riders don’t do rollkur. None of them. Sometimes they bend their horses a little tiny bit, but that’s different, any pictures you post of jumpers shown in a more extreme position are waved away as being ‘exceptions’ or ‘distorted pictures’. Don’t you know how deceptive photos can be? Jumpers don’t do rollkur.
In fact, NO ONE does anything outre other than Anky, and she does it to win, and the judges, all of them, are in on it. None of them have a clue about what REAL dressage is or know how to judge it. They’re all corrupt anyway. They just want to sell the horses they have for sale and make alot of money.
Those western horses with their chins on their chests, the arabs, the jumpers, none of them are doing anything bad, and NONE of them are harmed. Only Anky’s horses are doing rollkur, and only her horses are harmed, and only she is doing anything different from any other riders.
So please, at least while you’re here, try to keep it straight. Anky is the only criminal in this horse neck bending thing, and incidentally, the ONLY dressage rider who does ANYTHING that could be considered outre, extreme, by anyone. All the rest of the dressage riders in the world are channeling Xenophon via Nuno Olivera, and never bend their horses down or to the side beyond seeing the shine of their little eyes.
