Small animal vet rant

[QUOTE=wendy;4201880]
well really why would you agree to have tests etc. run that you don’t want run? grow a backbone. Ask questions. Why do you want to do this? or this? [/QUOTE]

Although I’m not sure if I should even respond to your posts…

I did NOT agree to some of the tests. They took the cat in the back to weight him and when they came back they said they had collected fecal and tested for heartworms. I also did NOT agree to physicals for either animals and infact was assured they were ONLY getting vaccines. That is why I fought the bill.

I do ask questions, and I usually know the answers to the basic questions (like why they would test for heartworms, etc) but in some cases I don’t get the answers I want or deserve. When I ask “why do I need to buy expensive flea meds for my 2 strictly indoor cats?” I get lectured about how they COULD get a flea. I mean someone on THIS BOARD told me my cats could spread the bubonic plague! :eek:

When I ask why my previous vet only did rabies every 3 years when they want to do it every year I wasn’t given a straight answer either.

I have a backbone but it’s also very uncomfortable when it’s me v. a vet, vet tech and secretary! It’s awkward when I say “no frontline please” and it’s waiting for me at the counter already added to my bill! I also fee weird jumping from vet to vet and I do think it’s hard to get a feel for a practice before you go there but I’m going to really do my research and get references this time!

wow ok I just caught that… they tested your CATS for heartworms? oh lord.

Here’s the thing about cats and heartworms. The test they can do in clinic is highly unreliable and inaccurate in cats. In a healthy cat, there’s really no point in testing, since what are you gonna do about it if you find out? There is NO treatment for cats with heartworms. One worm can kill them, and other cats live fine long lives with 3-4 worms. So you test, and they tell you it’s positive, now what? If you’re like me you start over analyzing everything the cat does or doesn’t do, waiting for the sign it’s about to die, since it has a deadly illness we can’t do anything about.

Honestly, would you even want to know? I don’t.

Which is a huge part of the reason Revolution/Advantage Multi is so highly reccomended for even indoor cats. Since we can’t treat it we really want to prevent it if we can. If those are out of your pricerange, there IS Heartgard for cats, as well as Interceptor. However any vet that isn’t explaining those options to you and is just pushing "you need Revolution for your cats’ isn’t doing anyone any favors.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t have my guys on it for a long time, because even a year ago what we knew about cats and heartworms was so much less than what we know now. I do have a cat that tested positive on the first test, and then 6 months later tested negative on two diff tests. That was 3 years ago, and she’s still here and kicking. The only reason she was tested in the first place? She was a blood donor kitty so we had to make double sure she was totally healthy.

Katherine
Vet Tech

[QUOTE=Ghazzu;4202248]
That particular guilt trip only works for the first year or so after graduation. :smiley:
Then it begins to have a severely detrimental effect on any thoughts the vet may have had of discounting procedures or medications and supplies.

Not at all–you have the quite pragmatic approach of not patronizing those whose business practices you don’t like.

Shame that common sense is in short supply, eh?[/QUOTE]

I’m just happy that you don’t think I begrudge vets a good living. Money is good! Lots of it is even better - and having a great practice allows a vet to offer discounts, assist rescues, or other good works if they so choose. Or just pocket the money and retire early. Whatever floats their boat.

And I’m also happy that there was an ER vet close enough that I could get to it in time for them to save my dog.

Of course - if the cat has been poisoned I’d have let him die. I’m such a specist.:winkgrin:

What I’d strongly object to is routine vet care costing as much as that ER visit or charged a premium in that manner. Just like the ER is the most expensive method of seeking medical care - so is the ER vet. Of course - with good preventative care and nutrition hopefully a human or animal never sees the ER. The one I took Homer also has a specialty cardiac practice. Excellent reputation.

A very generous aspect of this practice is that they offer interest free payment plans for those who cannot afford to pay for ER care. I appreciate the risk they are taking by offering that - there is definitely an element of altruism there.

Though I don’t have any problem if folks want to spoil their pets rotten and have each potion and treatment possible and pay over the top prices for it… I’d strongly object if that became the norm in small animal medicine.

And obviously I get frothy when anyone would suggest that if I don’t bend over and take it that I don’t love my pet enough. That’s the same crap the mortuary industry pulls on grieving families… and it’s just as distasteful to see that behavior in veterinary medicine.

I like money in the bank as much as a vet does, but I also care deeply about my animals -and all animals - just as much as vets do. We’re both on the same side but we also want money in the bank. Somewhere in there is a healthy balance.

JSwan… VERY well said!

For all of you that complain about rabies vaccination prices, there are SO MANY cheap rabies vaccination clinic days all over the place…petsmart, petco, municipalities have them… just look around! If it’s really about the money, then you don’t HAVE to go to your vet. If your vet questions that you got a vaccine, show them the certificate from the clinic day you went to, and they will respect the fact that although you can’t afford whatever fee the hospital charges, you cared enough to go get it done. Seriously.

And honestly, I’m really disheartened to hear all of this. I am going to graduate from veterinary school next May with $250K (yes, a quarter million) in debt when all’s said and done (including interest). How am I going to pay back a $2K/month loan payment and living expenses when so many of you don’t think what I spent the last 20 years of my life learning isn’t worth it? Thanks. I hope I never have to meet any of you, but I hope your pets live long, healthy lives. As a vet, I will probably not have control over what is charged until I own a practice or co-own (many, many years from now). I understand the concerns of overcharging, but there are other options out there…shop around. When I am able to control charges, I will try to do what’s fair, but I DO have to make a living and be compensated for my services.

[QUOTE=Trakehner;4201172]

People hate going to the vets…they know they’re being robbed blind, lied to and bills padded. We get the catalogs for our horses and see what vaccinations actually cost and aren’t ignorant consumers.
Most dogs and cats are healthy as horses (healthier). Do it yourself where it’s safe and simple (and it’s legal to give your own pets shots/vaccinations…in many states you can also buy rabies vaccines, just keep the records)…use vets for emergencies.[/QUOTE]

This is one of the most insulting things I have ever heard. I have never, never, deliberately padded a client’s bill in my life. Purchase price of the vaccine is vastly different than what things cost once everything else is calculated in.

Most states will not consider a Rabies vaccine valid unless administered by a veterinarian. Thus, if you’re pet has an incident it won’t be recognized as vaccinated if you did the vaccine yourself. Badger your legislators if you want to change it. And, I’ve been licensed in several states over the years, in none of them does the state practice act require an equine veterinarian to provide emergency care for a non-client. Many won’t see non-client emergencies as it seldom ends well for them.

[QUOTE=Trakehner;4201172]
Way back when I had my lab I checked for hearworms filaria by dilluting the blood and putting it through a Milipore filter. You’d take the filter and put it under a microscope at 100x to discover if any heartworms were present. Pretty simple.

My wife refused to take our Boxer to the vets, they’d done everything but call her an abuser and unfit since she wouldn’t do everything they suggested. When I took her to get Thyroxine (low thyroid…bilateral hypegmentation and weight gain…all classic signs) the vet suggested “Cushings”. I nailed her on that suggestion for expensive testing…she blinked and said, “Yep, you’re right, it’s not Cushings”…she was caught pushing a high-profit test for no reason.

People hate going to the vets…they know they’re being robbed blind, lied to and bills padded. We get the catalogs for our horses and see what vaccinations actually cost and aren’t ignorant consumers. I had one vet break out on the bill every facet of the vaccination as if they were separate shots…$90 for a $10 vaccine. No excuse. Buy your own vaccines and do it yourself, bring a fecal sample and take it to the vet for a look-see…then buy your own wormer. Or learn to do your own…it’s very simple and cheap…get a kid’s hobby microscope for $20, you can easily see worms with these and you only need 100 power…you can use it for your horse’s fecal float too!

Most dogs and cats are healthy as horses (healthier). Do it yourself where it’s safe and simple (and it’s legal to give your own pets shots/vaccinations…in many states you can also buy rabies vaccines, just keep the records)…use vets for emergencies.[/QUOTE]

You are VERY ignorant in how veterinary care actually works, the laws and regulations governing it, and the reality of patient health. Vaccines CANNOT be legally administered by an owner if it is a Rabies vaccine, fecal flotations are not just floating for 20 minutes with fecasol (centrifugation, special flotation mediums, and lab analysis are often needed to pick up all types of worms and protozoa), and most dogs/cats are not entirely healthy. Ignorant owners make for unhealthy animals.

How incredibly insulting to insinuate that veterinarians LIE to clients and are only in it to pad their wallets. If we wanted to make money, we wouldn’t go into veterinary medicine; there are PLENTY of other jobs out there that pay more. Paying for quality vet care isn’t being robbed; it’s paying for a service and expertise of a professional.

For everyone that is complaining about the cost…how would YOU like it if people constantly belittled the cost of the services you provide, complain that you’re only in it for the money and don’t care about anything else, and that I could do it better if I was only given access to the materials? How would you like your knowledge, 20+ years education and tuition, and countless hours of dedication be tossed aside as a sham?

[QUOTE=Pancakes;4203130]
For all of you that complain about rabies vaccination prices, there are SO MANY cheap rabies vaccination clinic days all over the place…petsmart, petco, municipalities have them… just look around! If it’s really about the money, then you don’t HAVE to go to your vet. If your vet questions that you got a vaccine, show them the certificate from the clinic day you went to, and they will respect the fact that although you can’t afford whatever fee the hospital charges, you cared enough to go get it done. Seriously.

And honestly, I’m really disheartened to hear all of this. I am going to graduate from veterinary school next May with $250K (yes, a quarter million) in debt when all’s said and done (including interest). How am I going to pay back a $2K/month loan payment and living expenses when so many of you don’t think what I spent the last 20 years of my life learning isn’t worth it? Thanks. I hope I never have to meet any of you, but I hope your pets live long, healthy lives. As a vet, I will probably not have control over what is charged until I own a practice or co-own (many, many years from now). I understand the concerns of overcharging, but there are other options out there…shop around. When I am able to control charges, I will try to do what’s fair, but I DO have to make a living and be compensated for my services.[/QUOTE]

Pancakes, I appreciate your willingness to do what a lot of us can’t… I wanted to be a vet until I saw my dog of 14 years put down and I understood what being a vet meant: not only do you keep animals healthy, but you also have to put them to sleep when it’s the only humane option. I couldn’t stomach it.

I liked my vet that I’ve known since I was a child. It was her technicians that did me in. The day I heard them tell an owner of a clearly sick dog to have the ER vet check her vitals, because our vet wasn’t in yet, but not let them admit her so that the owner could bring the dog back when our vet was in was the end of it. If your techs are going to be that concerned with a patient’s bill over a dog that needs help pronto, then whatever, I’m out.

I know there are good doctors and good techs out there - we have both for our horses. I’m still searching for that necessary combination for my darling puppy. Who no longer looks like a mack truck hit him. Thank god for no more complications!!

Be a smart consumer

If money is tight… utilize vaccine clinics. SPCA, Shelters, Petco etc they all have low cost vaccines avail for the public.
If you think your vet charges too much for Meds, ask if they will PRICE match what you found at PET MEDS or at the pharmacy.

Educate yourself , ask questions, besure you understand your Vets philosophy and that they understand yours( i.e. Its a barn cat so no its not getting a $500 work up for vomiting).

Some vets are money hungry, but so are some people in OTHER professions as well. I have worked as a Tech for many years and none of the vets I worked for padded any bills. They might have all made different recommendations, but they all believed it was " Good Medicine" either according to thier schooling, laws,expereince,Practive proticals, Vet journals or CE they attended.

Fleas: understand that some clinics give incentives to staff that sell the most OTC products. And while your indoor cat who has never had fleas doesn’t “need” it, i can not TELL you how many people would come in with the exact same indoor cat with a huge flea problem. Why some people have a problem and others don’t I haven’t a clue, but it does happen.

We are never to assume what a clients wants to spend, so the Drs will suggest what they believe to be good medicine. If your vet makes you feel guilty, then find a new vet.

Some serious oxen being gored:

“This is one of the most insulting things I have ever heard. I have never, never, deliberately padded a client’s bill in my life. Purchase price of the vaccine is vastly different than what things cost once everything else is calculated in.”

Good for you not padding bills…most small vets do, and many large vets also. Just read all the other posters on this site…it’s hit a nerve and people gave examples of overcharging (that’s padding) of their costs.

“…in none of them does the state practice act require an equine veterinarian to provide emergency care for a non-client. Many won’t see non-client emergencies as it seldom ends well for them.”

Quasi-blackmail, how lovely to know if you don’t pay high rates all year round the vets may not show up when you really need them. Luckily, many vets aren’t this way…plus, we have to get our Coggins & Health certificates done by vets, so most of us do have a relationship with them.

“You are VERY ignorant in how veterinary care actually works…fecal flotations are not just floating for 20 minutes with fecasol (centrifugation, special flotation mediums, and lab analysis are often needed to pick up all types of worms and protozoa)”

Snicker…that’s very cute, lab analysis picking up protozoa…I call BS on that one. Fecal float, any gross worms and a broad sprectrum wormer. Ever had a vet do a fecal on your horse? They do them on the racetrack (I know, I used to do them when I had my lab). The non-track vets just suggest a quick paste worming changing them often enough so sensitivity remains.

“… and most dogs/cats are not entirely healthy. Ignorant owners make for unhealthy animals.”

Once again, ignorant owners make for poorer vets. Ignorant is the description of an owner who doesn’t want to pay for unnecessary tests, overpriced drugs and Science Diet/Luxury diets when a simpler and quality food will work just fine. Most dogs and cats are healthy. Keep a cat inside where they live twice as long…they don’t get parasites, torn up in fights and injuries…keep em’ thinner on a good diet and they do fine. All sorts of dogs are bred with physical weaknesses and predispositions for medical problems…so what?

“How incredibly insulting to insinuate that veterinarians LIE to clients and are only in it to pad their wallets. If we wanted to make money, we wouldn’t go into veterinary medicine; there are PLENTY of other jobs out there that pay more. Paying for quality vet care isn’t being robbed; it’s paying for a service and expertise of a professional.”

That’s so cute…insinuating vets lie to clients. I didn’t insinuate anything, Vets do lie to clients and I’ve been lied to quite a bit, the difference is, I know it and call them on it…and they admit they misspoke. Psst, and they do pad their wallets with unneeded tests and unsupportable fees…but I don’t recall anyone saying they’re only in it to pad their wallets…read for comprehension, not emotion. Of course there are jobs that pay more—so what? Paying for quality vet care isn’t robbery…Paying for overpriced drugs, unneeded tests and various other areas is a rip-off.

First, congratulations!

Second - in Virginia an owner can legally administer a rabies vaccine. However, it is not considered ‘official’ and if there is an exposure or bite the dog will be quarantined. But many people do give their dogs boosters if there is a possible exposure (especially hunting dogs), and then save the actual ‘official’ vaccine for the vet’s office so they can obtain the rabies certificate.

Third - I don’t believe anyone has indicated or stated that they do not appreciate the amount of education and training required of a veterinarian, nor do they begrudge the vet a living. However, veterinarians are people too, and there are great ones, good ones, and bad ones. Some are savvy businessmen, others aren’t but hire good people, and others - and I mean no insult here - are crooks.

Every other occupation or profession is similar. I’m not singling vets out for persecution.

You, as a student, face the same problem other students do -paying back loans. Most students have that problem and eventually they all pay it off - vets don’t deserve any more or less sympathy than any other student. It sucks. I’m sorry. I’m happy to see that some states are offering to pay for vet school for any student willing to go into large animal medicine. There is great need.

No one is complaining that they have to pay for veterinary care. We’re all horse owners - big vet bills are not exactly unheard of. We know vets are going to mark things up and make a profit. GOOD. They SHOULD.

And as a client (large or small animal) it’s our job to be informed, educated owners as well as savvy ones. And we also should not make demands upon our vets and then tie their hands behind their back and expect miracles.

What folks are complaining of is what they believe to be GOUGING. Excesses. Extremes. Boutique/exclusive/premium prices for ROUTINE care. Vets pressuring clients into expensive treatments, tests, drugs or injections, or using emotional manipulation.

Heck - there are posts on this thread, including yours, that are evidence of that type of manipulation (if the client doesn’t pay it means they don’t love their animal - just let it die? - wendy) You and a few others implying that the client just needs to cough up whatever the vet wants to charge?

Where I live small animal vet practices are ALL turning into upscale boutique type of practices that charge exorbitant prices for ROUTINE care, insist that they perform minor acts like clipping nails, insist that your dog or cat NEEDS a special diet that only THEY can sell you, insist insist insist.

I got a stern lecture from a vet about the need to keep a 16 year old dog on heartworm pills. Heartworm is dangerous it will kill them, if I wanted to be a good pet owner I should keep the dog on the pills- blah blah blah.

The vet was right. Absolutely. No argument. But the dog was 16. I’m pretty sure when he died it wasn’t going to be from heartworm. And as far as the criticism about me being a “good” pet owner - having a healthy 16 year old dog demonstrates a rather high degree of conscientiousness in that regard - as well as having a bunch more old healthy dogs and cats back home.

Again - NO ONE is saying vets can’t make a terrific living. What I believe people are trying to convey is their concern about what appears to be exorbitant prices for routine care, and that small animal vets appear to be morphing into something resembling a day spa or upscale boutique.

As a soon to be vet - you should be concerned about that trend. Because what no vet should want to see are people skimping on health care for their pet because they can no longer afford the prices being charged by vets.

And that goes for equine only large animal vets, too.

In spring 2008 I paid over $1100.00 for spring shots for 3 horses. Equine only vet.

In spring 2009 I paid $400.00 for spring shots for 3 horses. Conventional large animal vet.

Same shots. Same fee for farm call. Both vets are local. Both vets are excellent. Good service. Good care. Both vets have basic equipment in the truck but refer out if a specialist is needed.

I paid a premium for no reason. Not acceptable.

And I apologize if I have misunderstood any of the complaints here but I think that is what folks are complaining about.

It is true that ignorant owners make for unhealthy animals. But it is also true that exorbitant costs for routine care can also make for unhealthy animals - or an animal that the owner decides is too expensive to keep any longer - especially if times are tough. This poses a risk to animal health as well as human health.

I think it is possible to provide good veterinary care without gouging. I think it is also possible to be a good pet owner and not opt for prescription diets, special pills, potions, or question costs and shop for better prices.

Just like a veterinarian is also a businessman, the pet owner is also a consumer. Consumer’s shop. Compare prices and services, question charges, and complain if they do not feel they receive good service or value for their dollar.

That’s the way it is. Eventually in your practice you’ll have to deal with such a pet owner. I fervently hope you will not accuse them of not loving their pet enough or being a bad owner.

[QUOTE=Pancakes;4203377]
You are VERY ignorant in how veterinary care actually works, the laws and regulations governing it, and the reality of patient health. Vaccines CANNOT be legally administered by an owner if it is a Rabies vaccine, Ignorant owners make for unhealthy animals.

How incredibly insulting to insinuate that veterinarians LIE to clients and are only in it to pad their wallets.
For everyone that is complaining about the cost…how would YOU like it if people constantly belittled the cost of the services you provide, complain that you’re only in it for the money and don’t care about anything else,[/QUOTE]

Pancakes,
I wanted to say that based on your comments on this thread (I may not have read the last few pages) and other threads about treating animals, I think you are going to make a very good and compassionate vet. Don’t get too jaded by what you read here. There are SOOO many vet clinics out there. Probably most are good, but some definitely do price gouge and push unnecessary procedures. It is just human nature to post about negative things rather than positive. But there have been positive posts on this thread too. I’m sure you will get a job at one of the good clinics and eventually start your own good clinic. :wink:

There is a big difference between a young vet just out of vet school with $250K in school debt and a vet that graduated 20 or 30 years ago (heck, probably even 10 years ago) with much less debt (which is paid off now), a clinic with equipment that is mostly paid for, low rent/mortgage, etc. They can afford to charge less. The younger vets with state of the art equipment, new buildings, etc. etc have much higher costs and need to charge more to stay afloat. People see the difference and think “price gouging”!

Another difference is the small animal clinic that caters to one-pet owners who will do whatever it takes to keep “fluffy” healthy/alive as opposed to small/large animal clinics who are used to dealing with customers who have numerous barn cats and dogs, multiple horses and who are used to doing most routine vet care themselves. The latter customers aren’t going to pay $800 for a cat to get his teeth cleaned, even if he needs it! What needs to happen is to match the right customers up with the right clinics. Then everyone will be happy. right? :wink:

[QUOTE=wendy;4202243]
is it really? think about it. Humans haven’t a clue how much their medical care is costing, but are very much aware of how much it costs for their animals. My SO was in the hospital recently and they charged his insurance $90K for one night in the IC unit. My dog was in the IC for three days and they charged us $5K. We only found out about the human charge by accident. We were of course charged directly for the dog. who got better care.[/QUOTE]

I guess you didn’t look to see how much the insurance company paid the hospital?

And do you really think you’re the only person who looks at their insurance statements or bills?

My horrible experience - sorry, long.

I doubt this discussion would have become so heated without so many pet owners out there feeling they’ve been taken or emotionally blackmailed at some point in the recent past by their small animal vet. Vets know our animals are like family to us and (SOME) play on those emotions to guilt us into paying them for tests/procedures that are not needed, and I find that to be totally unethical.

I once put my son’s loved dying dog into surgery because the vet guilt tripped me into trying to save her (a 14year old dog). When I first took my dog (Tika) in the vet working that day (I’ll call him Tom) told me I might need to consider putting Tika down because he felt she wouldn’t survive surgery, and then in walks the other vet behind him (I’ll call her Slick -she was also the owner of this practice) looking shocked by what he told me saying – and I quote - “What?! You have to try and save her even if there is just a small chance! If it were MY dog I would do anything and everything to save her! It could be her spleen, something simple, you have to give her a chance!” When I balked at Slick’s suggestion she ROLLED HER EYES AT ME and then shook her head in disgust!! Tom witnessed this and then said “In my opinion, I think this is a case of chronic disease that has gone undetected and has now reached a point of no return. Think it over and let me know if you would prefer to put her down.” (background – my lab was showing a huge mass in her chest on a xray). Slick again said “We are not sure what it is so why wouldn’t you want to give her a chance?”

As I struggled to make a decision vet Slick did everything in her power to steer me away from euthanasia – and threw the biggest guilt trip I have ever been subjected to when I started leaning toward putting her down!! I had never put an animal down before. I think it took me over an hour to decide… Slick got her way and I agreed to the surgery. I know I need to take responsibility for allowing that surgery, and I do, but in the moment I was emotional, my son was emotional, and I just didn’t want any of it to be happening. They gave me my dog’s body in a body bag to take home to bury and I cut them a check for $1000! My dog was on the operating table for less than 10mins. Tom came out and broke the news to me looking very ashamed, but also full of compassion. He said “I’m sorry, she is full of tumors.” I will NEVER allow that to happen again. Lesson learned! Next time they will put my animal down in my arms while I hold her and I will not be opting for an expensive surgery EVER for a critically sick pet, and no vet will make me feel guilty about it! I was tormented for weeks that my dog died on that stupid table alone when she could have been held in my arms while being put peacefully to sleep instead. Emotional blackmail is what happened to me that day …and it worked, Slick.

Having said all that, to those of you that are vets now, or are becoming vets, I sincerely hope you choose to be more like Tom.

Sad but true. I’ve experienced that myself, on more than one occasion.

whoa whoa whoa.
What stats will pay for vet school if you do large animal med?
At CSU, they reserve a few spot for admission if you have strong evidence you will do food animal. But, it’s no free ride.
The army will pay tuition, if you agree to do whatever they want you to for the next 10 years of your life. Even that program has become amazingly competitive.

Sadly, most vet schools are really hitting students hard with tuition… with no end in sight.
I could have been a teacher, tenured by now, for less than $20K in loans.
I could have been a lawyer years ago for $60K in debt.
But I choose a vet, which takes longer, and will cost 1/4 million dollars.
99% of my friends in vet school will also be in 1/4 million dollar debt.
We’re getting charged the same tuition as med school students, but, making only a fraction of their salary out of school.

Prices at the vets will continue to rise until the school’s we have to go to will rein in their outlandish tuition costs. Like Pancakes said, most vets will have a $2K/month payment on their loans, and will not have any opportunity to buy into a practice (and set a price for services) for decades.

I remember posting about it like - last year maybe? I think it was Missouri. Last legislative session Virginia created some sort of commission or study or something exploring doing the same thing here. But I don’t know what the status is. I posted about that too.

Don’t rely on the Missouri thing - the state was out in the Midwest somewhere… I thought it was Missouri. Maybe Ghazzu might be up to speed on that as I just read about it in an ag publication and it was more like a press release - not an in-depth description.

JSwan and Hessy-

Very well said, and I think between the two of you you’ve summed up the vast majority of complaints we hear from owners. I can honestly say that we hear very little of it at the practice I’m at now, because we try our hardest to not make clients feel that way.

Our practice is in an upscale area of town, and some of our basic prices are still alot lower that other clinics around. Exam-$45. Average cat yearlies w/ bells and whistles- $150. Dog yearlies bells and whistles-$190 Dentals- $250-600 depending on how bad they are. Euthanasia-$50

I have met a vet like Slick, and I won’t ever use him again. He came out for a friends horse, 3yo gelding suddenly 3 legged lame, unsure what was wrong but def in the shoulder. She(24years old) needed some time to put it all together in her mind, and she asked about being able to keep him well medicated and out of pain for the night so she could make a decision. He told her ‘if it was my horse I would put it down now, but I won’t think less of you if you make him wait.’ Made me realize even more that I’ll never be that type of tech. I quit the last clinic I worked at because I was pressured to talk clients into everything, even if it wasn’t needed for their animal. Sorry, but I’m not going to do it. They can find another Slick, I’m gonna go work with a Tom.

Katherine
Vet Tech

FP -

Yup - I did a google search and came up with this http://www.dailyjournalonline.com/articles/2007/12/09/news/doc475b4959596f3941017315.txt

It is Missouri and Virginia is considering doing the same thing (or similar). A lot more links turned up in that search but I just copied the link to that article.

I don’t know if any other states are considering or have such a program.

Good approach, Katherine! And this seems to be the real answer. Just as an employee, ideally, should find an employer whose approach meshes with his/her own, so must consumers try to find a vet whose philosophy mirrors their own. In many areas, you are limited, sadly, and you have to make do with the providers available. But when you have a choice, it pays off in the long run to make sure that the vet you choose is on board with your particular way of doing things … preferably before your first appointment.

For vet school funding, there are a variety of private grant programs available modeled on MD programs that help pay for your education in return for a contract to perform X years in an inner city or poor rural area. They are a bit hard to find, but there are several out there, as I recall from a search to help a young friend a couple of years ago. Local and regional small business officials can also be helpful in pointing new vets (and others) toward programs that will help fund a business start-up, including some where the monies may be used to pay down educational debt.