Probably because the other terms are tongue twisters and too many syllables for a speech once the longer terms are noted and defined early in the oration. Club foot comes out and listens easier.
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Are you guys talking about toe depth (from sole) or length? Maybe a stupid question.
Nondistorted toe length.
@eruss okay. So are you saying that it’s impossible for a club foot to get too long in the toe?
Again, feet isn’t an area where I’m strong. I’ve had mostly horses with sound and healthy feet :nonchalance:
You need to educate yourself, lollol
here is a credible link fromTheHorse.com, that was taken from a Dr. Stephen O’ Grady article, who is a known and respected equine podiatrist.
https://thehorse.com/18425/the-tolerable-club-foot/
As a previous poster commented early on, the Less-than-Grade-One club hoof on one of my horses is not even noticeable from the top but you can see the differences on the bottom.
his opposite leg muscle is 1/2” longer but he has never been lame. He is a Walking Horse and walks with a swinging-swagger by birth anyway, which makes the 1/2” discrepancy even less noticeable. His club hoof has never interfered with his running walk, which is champagnes-smooth.
There is no need to make a Mountain Out Of A Molehill” for a Grade One diagnosis. The farrier needs to understand the physics of that hoof and simply trim the hoof according to what it is asking.
The horse does not need shoes for the club hoof. Because they can wear the toe of a club hoof down to a bloody stump, your horse may need shoes for the job it has, but it does not need shoes merely to attempt to “correct” a Grade One club hoof that cannot be corrected:)
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@walkinthewalk I’m trying to educate myself, hence why I’m on coth and working with my vet.
He’s not shod because of a club foot. He’s been shod for the last few months because he’s a TB in Colorado, a state with notoriously hard ground.
I’m not freaking out about the grade one club. What I’m upset about is my horse is now lame. We believe now that he’s lame because the farriers involved were treating the hoof like a normal hoof and now things are not aligned correctly. His conformation is going to dictate how he needs to be trimmed to be comfortable. The vet in the PPE denied that there was any clubfoot. It’s now pretty clear on x-rays and my vet saw it right away while x-rays.
I understand that it’s not a big deal. But right now, my horse isn’t sound so we need to make changes. The path he’s on is obviously not working.
Everyone keeps saying “you don’t trim the toe” I’m confused by this since his toe very obviously seem long right now and vet is adamant that the break over needs to be changed.
In that article, it stated many things that sound familiar to what my vet was saying.
From the article:
You might think that all your farrier has to do is extend the toe and shorten the heel as much as possible, this approach is unlikely to be effective. In fact, it will actually place more tension on the musculotendinous unit, leading to further hoof capsule distortion, separation or tearing of the dorsal laminae, and possibly pedal osteitis, defined as inflammation and remodeling of the coffin bone from concussion due to loss of sole depth (and increased concussion experienced by the bone).
Instead, O’Grady recommends trimming the heel incrementally. He also advocates trimming the toe, but with a gradual “rocker” just before the apex, or tip, of the frog. This rocker decreases breakover (the forwardmost point of ground contact when the hoof is on the ground) during locomotion and decreases tension on the DDFT caused by lowering the heels.
In more severe cases, a farrier might elevate the heel in conjunction with trimming.
“The rationale for raising the heel is to redistribute the weight over the entire solar surface of the foot and lessen the tension or ‘pull’ on the DDFT and associated structures of the musculotendinous unit,” says O’Grady
No. When the foot is short - protect it. When it’s long - remove excess.
I’d show pics but they get resized so small on this forum it’s a waste of time.
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@eruss okay. That’s what my vet is saying, right now he’s to got too much toe. As far as I’m understanding…
I also tried to post x-rays but it’s very difficult to do on here…
O’Grady’s clubfoot articles are always based off of trimming from the apex of the frog back to the same plane as the frog. It goes down hill from there with rockering the toe from the apex forward. Wedging because trimming to the plane of the frog was too low. He’s using old school methods which didn’t work years ago and still don’t work today. Which is probably why he never shows what his methods look like at the start of the next shoeing cycle.
Yeah! I think they should either allow bigger pics or not allow us to upload pics…
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[QUOTE=Lunabear1988;n10578868
]So I tried a new to me farrier at the recommendation of my vet. I loved my old one but he was so flaky and doesn’t want come to the barn I’m at now. So here I am. Horse is slightly off at trot, 3 days after being shod. Each day, slightly worse although it’s not severe yet. Farrier is of course coming back out to check on things, not sure if it’s a close nail or what. I am not sure if I’m happy with the job but I’m far from an expert with feet. And he was kind of neglected foot wise when I got him (he was at 12 or 14 weeks when I bought him.)
Not how you want to start things with a new farrier! On one hand, we are all human and things just go wrong. I’m thinking of seeing if we can fix this issue and then see how the next few trims go? Or should I find a new farrier now?
I like the guy, he’s very nice, my horse liked him, easy to communicate with, willing to work with vets and happy to come back out and see what’s going on. But now my horse is lame…
Vet comes out on Wednesday for something else but we will be taking x-rays of the front feet too. Farrier comes back out today to try and see what’s going on.
Trying new farriers is stressful. I went through this years ago when my farrier retired. But I never had a lame horse. Just had to find the right one.[/QUOTE]
Everone is forgetting the original post.
The inference is the horse was NOT lame until the new farrier did his handy work.
Find a different farrier, and this will likely all go away:)
