Smartpak issues resolved

[QUOTE=Gorgonzola;7958138]
Funny you mention those, I was looking at them this morning as I’ve destroyed my Beval stirrup leathers (which are a good 8 years old). I was reading the negative reviews (I was shocked by how many there were, typically on SmartPak branded items there’s maybe 1 or 2 1* and a few 2*, but there were a slew of them, all saying exactly what you did! Super bulky, bad leather. Too bad, was hoping I could avoid paying so much for new leathers, but oh well.[/QUOTE]

They are so, so disappointing.

If you find any budget-friendly leathers please let me know! My non-Smartpak ones are on their last legs (which is why I got the Smartpak ones…)

Interesting, because I’ve had a couple of interesting experiences now that I think about it over the past few months. On their own, I didn’t really recognize a pattern, but now that I look at them collectively, I’m becoming a bit more suspicious…

I bought a pair of web reins from them, and less than six months later, they stitching/glue was coming undone. Like FF, I had kind of chalked it up to “stop buying cheap stuff”…but then, I bought some of the Lorenzini stirrups, and after a few months, they started showing rust spots on them! I emailed SP about them, and they asked me to send them some pictures, which I did. A few days later, I got recommendations (I think from the manufacturer) about how to remove the rust using lemon juice, and suggesting that I try not to get them wet!!!

And those weren’t cheap - over $200. I was really surprised that at no point did SP offer to exchange them, especially given what a new and trendy product they are.

Then I called about my personalized item that was ordered on 12/6, and they said that they had thought it would come back in stock, but didn’t until just last week, so it had now gone to the customization department, and I should be receiving it sometime in the next 7-10 days. Like FF, this was a Xmas present, so that part has been effectively ruined. What was different from in the past, was that there wasn’t really any attempt to make up for what was clearly a mistake on their part. They didn’t offer to ship it faster once it finally gets done, or offer anything else to try and make me less unhappy.

I bought new tall boots from them just after Xmas, and while they were great about answering my questions about boot sizing, the lady on the phone said I now have 60 days to decide whether I’m happy with them, whereas in the past, they would stand behind the products they sold for any length of time.

I have always bought from SP because they stand behind their products, and don’t give you the same runaround that Dover does. I see that total commitment to their customers starting to slowly erode, which makes me very sad.

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Of course, all that went out the window when, before I could get the sheet laundered, we had a day of heavy rain and the waterproofing completely failed, leaving me with a shivering, cold, wet horse.[/QUOTE]

I bought a Smartpak thinsulate blanket last year, and last year there was no rain so it never got tested. I used it this year, and it was completely not waterproof. As in, it was like a washcloth. I haven’t done anything about it, but I was certainly disappointed.

[QUOTE=french fry;7958153]
They are so, so disappointing.

If you find any budget-friendly leathers please let me know! My non-Smartpak ones are on their last legs (which is why I got the Smartpak ones…)[/QUOTE]

Dover circuit lined ones are pretty nice IMO

The HK rep last year told me that HK made all the Smartpak bridles?! Maybe he was wrong or something changed in the meantime.

[QUOTE=KingoftheRoad;7958207]
Then I called about my personalized item that was ordered on 12/6, and they said that they had thought it would come back in stock, but didn’t until just last week, so it had now gone to the customization department, and I should be receiving it sometime in the next 7-10 days. Like FF, this was a Xmas present, so that part has been effectively ruined. What was different from in the past, was that there wasn’t really any attempt to make up for what was clearly a mistake on their part. They didn’t offer to ship it faster once it finally gets done, or offer anything else to try and make me less unhappy.

I bought new tall boots from them just after Xmas, and while they were great about answering my questions about boot sizing, the lady on the phone said I now have 60 days to decide whether I’m happy with them, whereas in the past, they would stand behind the products they sold for any length of time.

I have always bought from SP because they stand behind their products, and don’t give you the same runaround that Dover does. I see that total commitment to their customers starting to slowly erode, which makes me very sad.[/QUOTE]

This is the crux of my issue with how my most recent order was handled. In the past, Smartpak has bent over backwards to make something right. This has included replacing items, rush shipping something to make up for a delay, etc. That’s why it was so weird to initially get a, “Sorry it didn’t ship in time but you didn’t place the order in time, hope you can find an alternative” response. It’s not that it was such an unreasonable response; it’s that they built their business on top notch customer service vs. this pretty run of the mill response.

It is also disappointing to hear that they have implemented the 60 day return policy. It’s not that it’s such an unreasonable policy; it’s just that they built their business on a policy that was so much better.

[QUOTE=Gorgonzola;7958138]
Funny you mention those, I was looking at them this morning as I’ve destroyed my Beval stirrup leathers (which are a good 8 years old). I was reading the negative reviews (I was shocked by how many there were, typically on SmartPak branded items there’s maybe 1 or 2 1* and a few 2*, but there were a slew of them, all saying exactly what you did! Super bulky, bad leather. Too bad, was hoping I could avoid paying so much for new leathers, but oh well.[/QUOTE]

Huh, I have their lined leathers on my dressage saddle, and have been pretty happy with them. They’re a couple years old, though, so maybe something changed? They’re not the same quality as Beval (I have the Beval lined leathers on my jumping saddle), but certainly nicer than I expected for the pricetag.

I haven’t had any particular problems, other than it seeming to take longer for things to ship. I’ve noticed it most recently, and just chalked it up to weather and the holidays, but it’s now taking a week or so for things to show up, when usually the SmartPaks autoshipped on a Tuesday and stuff was at the barn on a Friday. Now they’re showing up the following Tuesday.

I had an issue with a blanket bag with embroidery/ customization that I ordered November 6th, which was listed as in stock at the time I placed the order. I was charged for the blanket bag when I placed the order, and got a confirmation email stating that it was in stock and would ship by 11/12. Then, on November 25th, I got an email that said the item was back ordered until 12/30 and I would be refunded, then re-charged when the item was ready to ship.

I saw two charges on 12/18 that added up to the cost of the blanket bag plus my regular supplements, so thought I was being re-charged for the blanket bag as the email stated, and thought I would receive the item with my supplements the week of Xmas, but that’s not what happened - I only received the supplements. Finally got the blanket bag around New Years…

I also got an email in the meanwhile asking me to review the blanket bag… several weeks before it shipped… I get that that’s probably automated but it’s frustrating, especially since this isn’t the first time this year I’ve ordered something from SmartPak that was listed as in stock online, AND been charged for it, only to get an email later stating that it was really out of stock and then having to wait for a refund (one of those sale bridles that has been mentioned a couple of times).

I have used SmartPak for a lot of my equine shopping for a long time now, mostly because of the excellent customer service, ease of doing business, and great shipping options. It’s getting to the point where I’m wary of purchasing things since the availability seems to be random and often inaccurate. It’s really too bad that I can’t count on SmartPak to be as reliable as I once knew it to be. Customer service continues to be responsive and as helpful as possible, but it feels like the company is moving towards more of a reactive/ apology model rather than quality control up front and making sure the inventory is accurately represented online where I’m sure the vast majority of business takes place.

If you’re looking for affordable leathers…

Love love love my Gary Mundy leathers…

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?171696-Brag-About-Your-Gary-Mundy-Leathers-Here-PLUS-Educate-The-Masses

and just to keep it ot, I also have noticed a considerable delay in shipping recently. I just started using smartpaks again and ordered new smartpaks for all three of my horses. Same day ordering, same day paying. Couple days later I get conformstion my items are about to ship. Only my spartpaks shipped separately and arrived on different days… Not really a gripe, I still love smartpak. I just found it odd…

Do they stretch at all?? I like the Nylon lined ones, but if these don’t stretch, I’m more than open to non $150 stirrup leathers!!

Very dangerous defect in a Plymouth bridle, shipped expired Ulcergard to me, very long shipment times, and in one instance actually just forgot to ship an item until I called to remind them. There have been other minor things as well.

While all of these issues were resolved in a satisfactory manner, I’m getting tired of having to deal with problems nearly every time I order from them.

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Very dangerous defect in a Plymouth bridle, shipped expired Ulcergard to me, very long shipment times, and in one instance actually just forgot to ship an item until I called to remind them. There have been other minor things as well.

While all of these issues were resolved in a satisfactory manner, I’m getting tired of having to deal with problems nearly every time I order from them.[/QUOTE]

Okay, then I am swearing off the Smartpak bridles for now because we now have 3 reports of problems with them on this thread plus my own experience. So something must be up!

Another VERY HAPPY Gary Mundy Leather customer here. I’ve had mine since 2008 or 2009. Mine have not stretched and they match my saddle perfectly. They are still in great shape… no cracks or splits in the creases! Plus, he made them a customer length for me (somewhere in between kids and adult length) and he leather punched my initials into the ends. He was running behind when so he made me a key chain with my name punched in the leather as a free gift.

LOVE THEM. I highly recommend.

Their shipping does seem like it’s taking longer. My latest autoship SmartPaks have been 3 days late this month. The order was supposed to be for the 7th but didn’t actually leave the east coast until the 10th and UPS is saying I won’t get it until Friday, which isn’t a big deal for me but still annoying. This has been the only issue I’ve ever had with them though.

When I first bought Fancy, SmartPak called me and sent e-mails to talk about supplement options and they were all very helpful. Customer service is always super friendly.

I want to clarify what I said about having good experiences with Smartpak. I have overall, and their customer service is superb. But I did have a problem with a defective Wellfleet bridle. Although they sent me a new bridle, I haven’t been comfortable using it because I think the defect is potentially dangerous. They now sell a slightly different version of that bridle, and strangely I can’t find my review of the defective one.

I wondered if something was up – my most recent two orders took ages to ship. Not unusual from other companies, but previously amazing packing and shipping speeds had me spoiled…

[QUOTE=drmgncolor;7958827]
Another VERY HAPPY Gary Mundy Leather customer here. I’ve had mine since 2008 or 2009. Mine have not stretched and they match my saddle perfectly. They are still in great shape… no cracks or splits in the creases! Plus, he made them a customer length for me (somewhere in between kids and adult length) and he leather punched my initials into the ends. He was running behind when so he made me a key chain with my name punched in the leather as a free gift.

LOVE THEM. I highly recommend.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, Gary is taking time off the next few months for familial health issues, but says he hopes to start taking orders again in 3 months.

Interesting to read all of this since I’ve always had excellent service on everything. SmartPak is my go to place for pretty much all of my horse shopping needs.

Only issue I’ve ever had was this December our barn decided somewhat last minute to do a secret santa type thing. I ordered the items about a week before I needed them. When Wednesday rolled around (party was Saturday) and I still didn’t have the items, I called customer service. I was informed the warehouse was busy with the holidays and everything was a little delayed. The rep upgraded my shipping to 2 day express for free and I did have my items by Friday. I have been left with nothing but fantastic things to say about them every time I have dealt with them.

Hopefully the issues you guys have experienced are more of a blip than a trend.

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Unfortunately, Gary is taking time off the next few months for familial health issues, but says he hopes to start taking orders again in 3 months.[/QUOTE]

I’m so sorry to hear that. I will keep his family in my thoughts.

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I’m so sorry to hear that. I will keep his family in my thoughts.[/QUOTE]

I heard the same thing from him this morning, I had an email waiting when I woke up at 6am!