So, I was working w/ my 2011 Horse

[facinated]

[QUOTE=wateryglen;3333015]
Well…THANK GOD someone has joined our board who knows something about horses! And more than we ever will too!!! :eek: Praise the Lord!!

Facinated…what hunt are you a member of currently? I’ve hunted with you in the past…

Had to laugh at the power washing thing…I LOVE to power wash mine…it’s SUCH a labor saving device!! One swoosh and you’re done!

Pass the popcorn and pitcher of Mojito’s…burp!![/QUOTE]
That was solely directed toward the 5’6" 200lb event riders in the audience.
I guess if I ever finish paying what I owe them I am a MEMBER of Fairfax. I only JOINED YOUR BOARD when I read the thing about the yearling, but I did used to enjoy hearing otherwise inteligent people defend fox hunting by saying that it was fun for the fox too.
Additionaly please note that I did not pick up on the comment about putting a 300 lb man on to gallop on pavement. I assume the pupil will be introduced to that in due course. With no hind shoes “because he does not need them”

[Mamare]

Isn’t this the guy whose stallion killed/injured two mares in the breeding shed? And he’s worried about hosing a yearling???

[facinated]

That is a nice thing to say. Although it has nothing to do with this topic. Do you happen to have a name to associate with the victims, or are you just another petty, jealous nasty rumor spreading coward? I will happily inform the owners of the 69 mares the horse has bred so far this season that someone named Mamare says that two of them forgot to complain to me.

[Foxtrot_s]

July the 4th - must be fireworks day (not my words!)

The post was something I could very well identify with. Eyeballing the spray made slw deal with the situation right now, instead of letting it become a bugaboo later on. I think she is lucky to have one who deals with his situations and moves on. Proves he does not bear a grudge or spook for ever. (You know the kind, who can pass THE rock for ever and ever and never get over the eyeballing?)

Younger the better to deal with all sorts of issues, esp. for a hunt horse.

So, Fascinated is a MAN - go figure??

[Painted_Wings]

I knew he was a troll when he referred to us a “you people”. He clearly does not consider himself a foxhunter.

I’ve done it both ways. Had a yearling I ground drove all over the farm, then I’ve had others I haven’t much messed with. They turn out about the same in the long run. Mostly depends on the mare and the horse’s temperament and breeding to begin with.

The mare spends much more time with your foal than you do. She leaves the most impression.

I don’t much mess with hosing my yearlings personally though but it certainly doesn’t bother me if other people want to. With seven horses, a beagle pack, and a full time job I just dont’ really have the time.

[Foxtrot_s]

…but at least you are not conceited enough to criticize someone who does handle their young horse and give it a lot of experiences that will be useful in later life. Sounds like you are just too busy, not against the principle.

[Painted_Wings]

Yeah, I’m working on my 2009 and 2010 hunt horses. They both road beagles now. The older one has actually already hilltopped once.

Actually I’m hoping to sell the six year old hunt horse and if that happens I’ll hunt the four year old this season some. He’s out on an extended try out right now. He’s hunted a full season and more. My main hunter is 13 yrs.

I’m on my third generation of hunters. Grandma is 25 yrs and still on the farm but not hunting.

The one thing I have found as that some things it’s just better to wait. I’ve tried acclimating yearlings and two year olds to clippers and it’s always traumatic. Then something happens in their brains at three and all of a sudden I can just walk up and clip them.

So sometimes it’s not worth the fight and the risk of bodily harm. Just wait until they grow up. I think that’s what the troll was trying to say but could have been a little nicer about it.

[facinated]

“Baby horses have a very very short attention span. There is nothing you can teach a baby horse that you can’t teach it when it is 3 or 4. Then it will be smarter, and strong enough to be less at risk from the physical restraint involved. Back when horses were a much more important part of life than now, and their soundness, and training were a matter of life and death to the riders, horse were left alone until they were about 4, because people knew that they were babys, and needed to develop.”
This is what I said. It makes me a conceited, horse killing troll who doesn’t know anything about hunting.

[Foxtrot_s]

Third generation - I’m riding my third generation, too, and planning a fourth for my son-in-law. This fact gives me more satisfaction than I can say. My first home-bred was a thrill, and while the original mare is gone now, she was so special. I think I’m going to call it a day from now on - getting past starting these young 'uns.
Looking forward to an Irish baby in about four weeks!
The troll just got my back up by his manner - ‘eyeballing’ is very different from flat out refusing to co-operate. I’ve found the same as you - if something is hard for a young horse, give him more time to experience other things, give him more time to trust you and be accepting of your odd requests and suddenly it is over with, done.

[facinated]

“Younger the better to deal with all sorts of issues, esp. for a hunt horse.”-Foxtrot’s
OOPs time to insult me and backpedal.

[Foxtrot_s]

Yaaaaaawn

[Rt66Kix]

I’ve never had a young horse, but you can bet that if I ever do, they will be exposed to all sorts of things as babies.

One of them being the hose. Not blasting it in the face with the jet spray, but definitely hosing them off. Imagine if there were a freak accident, and you needed to tend to them in a way that required a hose. The injury would be tramatic enough, but introducing them to a hose at the same time could be overload.

I think SLW did a great job. It’s not like she turned the sprayer on to deliberately zap her baby; it happened as a accident. And once the accident happened, then she did everything she could to make it a “non-event” in the future. This line of thinking is fabulous, and IMO is the way to handle ANY unexpected event, at ANY age of the horse!!!

The Spanish Riding School doesn’t start their horses until they are 4, but you can BET that the horses have had a ton of stuff done to them prior to that time! Also, I rode sidesaddle in The Great Circus Parade in 2004. The teamsters there had 6-8 draft mares hitched together, and most of them had babies. The babies had on halters and were tied to their moms. They walked along beside them, and nursed when the parade stopped. I was so impressed with that! What a great way to show a baby that harnessing and working are no big deal. The moms were quiet 'cause the babies were right there; they were getting back into shape by exercising; the babies were getting exposed to noise, crowds, bands, wagons, etc. I don’t remember seeing ONE incident of chaos or panic.

I’d want a baby to know how to pick up it’s feet; load in a trailer; lead on a line and back up. Step to the side when I asked, and stay out of my space. None of these things are abusive; none of these things are excessive.

They are for MY safety and the baby’s.

fascinated, have you seen the picture of Pat Parelli jumping a baby over a log? He thinks this is kosher. Most people foam at the mouth about it. Perhaps your next missive should be directed at him?

I’ll skip the mojitos, but sure wouldn’t mind a whiskey sour. Make that a double!

[Ajierene]

[QUOTE=D1nOnlyRocketPony;3330036]
I wish my 17.2 hand witch of a mare had been hosed off and desensitized as a yearling. Convincing her at 1 would have been much better than at 17.2 and 4 years old. We handle all our youngsters ( brush, pick up feet, bath,etc), makes life easier later. Ok, no more feeding the troll.[/QUOTE]

I wish my 15.2HH mare had been exposed to this kind of stuff! She not only was not exposed, but had a lot of negative experiences with people until she came into my life at 4 and a half. If someone had taught her how to stand to be hosed, load in the trailer, stand to have her feet picked - my life would have been easier…not as interesting, but easier.

As far as that nozzle slw - my friend has one. I was keeping my gelding there (he goes to his new home tomorrow). It was a hot day when I was showing him to his new ‘parents’. After even a short ride he was a bit sweaty, so we bring him out of the ring and pull the hose up. He, of course, has only a halter on and is grazing. Just as they are asking me how he is with the hose, I pull the trigger and it is on power wash! I freaked and released grip on the trigger and it didn’t turn off! (I didn’t realize the added ‘benefit’ at that exact moment). He jumped a bit at the sudden sound and I had only hit his foot with the water - right back to grazing. They were like ‘oh, guess he is fine with the hose’.

Now that gelding - tons of holes in his saddle training. He is 12 years old and arthritic from years of abuse. He is 17.2 and could have been a great show horse had he not been so broken down and abused. His ground training on the other hand, excellent. He always walks next to you, great with the hose. A halter and lead (no chain shanks or twitches needed) are all that is required for shots, worming, messing with wounds (including poking and prodding to see how much it hurts). Even turn out, if he is feeling frisky, he waits for the halter to be taken off, walks two steps away, THEN goes galloping off like mad. Always walks right onto the trailer.

Why do I mention this? I know he was born on a big thoroughbred breeding farm and I know he was sold from that farm when he was about 2. I know that they put all those types of manners on horses before they sell them (that’s how they sell them). There is a chance he was sold as a wild colt and trained after he left the farm…but - he has a tattoo and never raced. Something only the big farms do (more cost effective to just tattoo all the yearlings and sort it out later). What does that mean? Training as a baby and they will keep that training forever. Train older and it is more of a crap shoot. Some will keep the training, some will pick and chose what training they want to remember and when.

Do what you want, just don’t knock other people for what they are doing.

[sketcher]

[QUOTE=facinated;3332236]
I remain confident that I do know more about horses than you ever will.[/QUOTE]

Ooh. I’m sure that hurts coming from you. Why are you such a stinker? Even if you knew more than 10 times everyone else, no one would listen to you, so why not try and impart your ‘wisdom’ in a less offensive manner. Unless you prefer the trolling.

[facinated]

Again, the know more comment was directed at one specific person.
However, there are far too many lame messed up horses around, and none of them got that way from being left alone. Almost every one of them was made to be that way by the people who handled it. You are not going to see a thread here or anywhere else with people talking about the damage they have done to horses. Everybody says THEY do things the right way, then talks about the damaged horses they have to fix. Quess what? the damaged horse came from an expert just like you.
Just because Pat Parelli can do something with a horse doesn’t mean anything, unless you are him. Monty Roberts can tack up an un-handled 4 yr old horse and ride it in less than an hour. There are people who can ride green broke horses around huge courses. A very few people in the world understand horses. Most people are scared of them and abuse them either intentionaly or un-knowingly.
If I am out in public and I see some guy smack his little kid, I walk over and ask to speak with him. Horses are less important than people to me but when someone talks about flipping their foal over backwards to train it or dragging it all over the countryside to get it used to what it might see in 3 years if it survives, or preparing it for a medical emergency because their dumb ass vet doesn’t know how to tranquilize it, I say something. I am fully aware that most people do not listen.

[SLW]

“dragging it all over the countryside to get it used to what it might see in 3 years if it survives”. Once again you speak of what you do not know. Staying light on the lead rope with his nose at my knee while we walk, trot and canter through the trails is not dragging a horse.

You are correct on one account- sedation is used when unhandled horses are presented for veterinary services. That adds $38 to the service at the clinic where I am employeed.

[KSAQHA]

Hey, SLW - welcome back!

Good job, Spanky. I just gave his 2yr old half-sister another bath, yesterday - didn’t bat an eye, either, since I’ve been using a hose on her since she was a WEANLING. Finally took her for her first trailer ride off the farm last week, too, and had to wait on a train (first in line) - do you think she’s damaged for life?

Oh, and when are we getting together at the lake to drag our babies all over the countryside? :winkgrin:

[tidy_rabbit]

[QUOTE=facinated;3339776]

If I am out in public and I see some guy smack his little kid, I walk over and ask to speak with him. [/QUOTE]

What do you say exactly?
Do you ever get punched in the mouth?

[QUOTE=facinated;3339776]

I am fully aware that most people do not listen.[/QUOTE]

hmmmmm, interesting insight…

[facinated]

[QUOTE=tidy rabbit;3353328]
What do you say exactly?
Do you ever get punched in the mouth?

hmmmmm, interesting insight…[/QUOTE]

I would say “excuse me tidy rabbit, you have no right to hurt that little kid like that.” Rabbits tend to run away. It is not uncommon for them to treat the kid worse, rather than admit they are wrong. Sound familiar??

[tidy_rabbit]

[QUOTE=facinated;3353499]
I would say “excuse me tidy rabbit, you have no right to hurt that little kid like that.” Rabbits tend to run away. It is not uncommon for them to treat the kid worse, rather than admit they are wrong. Sound familiar??[/QUOTE]

Bunnies don’t run; they HOP!