So many great deals in upstate NY

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=mvp;8173420]
Oneonta might not be the place for you high-end horse folk.

A friend of mine who grew up caring for show horses and then did her DVM at Cornell has been bummed out practicing up there. The standard of care among most horse owners is horrendously low. More than once, someone has waited to call her about a horse problem that had progressed to the point that euthanasia was the kindest option. They didn’t want to pay for much else, even when another treatment was a viable (if expensive) option.

She says that county (Delaware?) is the watershed that feeds NYC’s water to it. So the state has rigged it up such that it’s next to impossible to bring much business or industry to the area.

So deals on land up there might not supply much once you step off your farm. The same theme applies for taxes: It’s great to be the richest guy on the block… until you need some good infrastructure (like an ER) or good neighbors.[/QUOTE]

hey, is your friend Dr. Fish by any chance…? While I was in Oneonta towards the tail end of my stay there I got a horse and LET ME tell you finding a barn that had good care was NEXT TO impossible… Dr. Fish helped me immensely.

I ended up settling at a good facility with terrible care so I did self-care - the facility was awesome but the person that owned it not so much… But you’re completely right… the standard of care is horrible around there… I remember telling the BO I was going to do spring shots/strangles/rabies and get a coggins drawn, as well as x-ray & float my gelding to check how his leg was doing… and she looked at me and was like “but why? you don’t need to do that stuff around here” – I was floored…

Don’t even let me tell you about the colicking horse there, or the strangles scare where the BM went called a DIFFERENT vet and gave everyone Exceed (!!!) without their permission…

[meupatdoes]

[QUOTE=beowulf;8173606]
hey, is your friend Dr. Fish by any chance…? While I was in Oneonta towards the tail end of my stay there I got a horse and LET ME tell you finding a barn that had good care was NEXT TO impossible…

I ended up settling at a good facility with terrible care so I did self-care - the facility was awesome but the person that owned it not so much… But you’re completely right… the standard of care is horrible around there… [/QUOTE]

I lived in Buffalo for two years and I have PTSD from trying to find good care and services for the horses there.

Never ending lunacy.

Example: I inquired about boarding two circuit hunters and somebody wanted to feed them 2lbs per day of Blue Seal strider, one flake of hay for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, turn out for max three hours in the morning, and neither turn out nor do stalls on Mondays. They then segued smoothly into warning me to be careful in the area because “not everyone knows how to take care of horses around here.”

Example: That time it took me 7 weeks of unsuccessful attempts to get a farrier to tack a shoe back on before I finally gave up and drove the horse 8 hours round trip for $350 glue ons at Cornell.

Example: That time I was riding a horse in the indoor of one of the fanciest places around and someone came in with a horse wearing three blankets and a halter and wanted to know could they turn out the horse in the indoor while I rode.

Example: Pea gravel = indoor arena footing.

And on.
And on.
And on.

The bills may be x3 downstate but I am no longer turning prematurely grey dealing with such nonsense.

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;8173657]
I lived in Buffalo for two years and I have PTSD from trying to find good care and services for the horses there.

Never ending lunacy.

Example: I inquired about boarding two circuit hunters and somebody wanted to feed them 2lbs per day of Blue Seal strider, one flake of hay for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, turn out for max three hours in the morning, and neither turn out nor do stalls on Mondays. They then segued smoothly into warning me to be careful in the area because “not everyone knows how to take care of horses around here.”

Example: That time it took me 7 weeks of unsuccessful attempts to get a farrier to tack a shoe back on before I finally gave up and drove the horse 8 hours round trip for $350 glue ons at Cornell.

Example: That time I was riding a horse in the indoor of one of the fanciest places around and someone came in with a horse wearing three blankets and a halter and wanted to know could they turn out the horse in the indoor while I rode.

And on.
And on.
And on.

The bills may be x3 downstate but I am no longer turning prematurely grey dealing with such nonsense.[/QUOTE]

this sounds like the barns I went to… oh yeah, I should mention… most barns around there don’t even turn out period in the winter :eek:

[merrygoround]

If you board at a barn on top of an icy,windy hill with an odd owner and rude BM, it is likely that horses could not be safely turned out.

Horses in my neck of the woods were out every day. And in every night, in warm dry stalls, with an indoor with excellent, not dusty, not frozen footing. This past winter I will admit, trail riding got a bit difficult.

The trouble is it takes dynamite to remove the boarders that are there, because the standard of care is high, veterinary services are long term established,as is farrier care.

[merrygoround]

[QUOTE=mvp;8173420]
Oneonta might not be the place for you high-end horse folk.

A friend of mine who grew up caring for show horses and then did her DVM at Cornell has been bummed out practicing up there. The standard of care among most horse owners is horrendously low. More than once, someone has waited to call her about a horse problem that had progressed to the point that euthanasia was the kindest option. They didn’t want to pay for much else, even when another treatment was a viable (if expensive) option.

She says that county (Delaware?) is the watershed that feeds NYC’s water to it. So the state has rigged it up such that it’s next to impossible to bring much business or industry to the area.

So deals on land up there might not supply much once you step off your farm. The same theme applies for taxes: It’s great to be the richest guy on the block… until you need some good infrastructure (like an ER) or good neighbors.[/QUOTE]

mvp-You need a geography lesson. Oneonta, home of two colleges, is in Otsego County, along with Cooperstown, the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the home of Bassett Hospital, a teaching hospital and it’s affiliates, so, lots of ER’s.

So it’s perfectly safe to step off the farm. :lol:

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=vicarious;8174552]
mvp-You need a geography lesson. Oneonta, home of two colleges, is in Otsego County, along with Cooperstown, the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the home of Bassett Hospital, a teaching hospital and it’s affiliates, so, lots of ER’s.

So it’s perfectly safe to step off the farm. :lol:[/QUOTE]

She is partially right though. Other than the hospitals there isn’t a whole lot of job industry there… Cooperstown is a ghost town in the winter so unless you’re independently wealthy it really isn’t a place to settle down and make $$.

[TBROCKS]

[QUOTE=cutter99;8170625]
Yes, but it is Upstate New York, although while absolutely beautiful, equates with long, cold, depressing winter! LOL!

That does look like a great deal though![/QUOTE]

This. The summers are beautiful when it’s not raining/cold.

[Ambitious_Kate]

Interesting how this thread has gone. I moved here from CT three years ago, but “here” is Albany, not even remotely out where this discussion has gone. I realize that the property I might have linked might have been pretty far away from Albany.

I work at Albany medical Center. People come from up on the canadian border to be seen at this hospital, also from down south, like Kingston. No problem with excellent world class medical care here.

My horse still lives in CT. The standard of care there is extremely high. I don’t know how the standard of care is here, compared, and it didn’t occurr to me that it would be any different around here. When and if I bring him up here, I will have to look very carefully. Although most of my horse facility searches at this time are in this are, Western Mass, columbia County NY. More expensive than elsewhere, probably.

I thought if you had good income, could get to say Albany or were working from home no matter where you lived, a farm like the ones I have seen would be a steal of a deal. Probably alot more to think about than I first imagined.

I call it Farm Porn. I can spend hours looking at these properties online. Heh heh.

[mvp]

[QUOTE=vicarious;8174552]
mvp-You need a geography lesson. Oneonta, home of two colleges, is in Otsego County, along with Cooperstown, the Baseball Hall of Fame, and the home of Bassett Hospital, a teaching hospital and it’s affiliates, so, lots of ER’s.

So it’s perfectly safe to step off the farm. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I should have been more clear.

The ER comment was about another person who was celebrating the low taxes of KY. She has also regaled us with stories of rather frightening healthcare stories there.

Driving around outside of Oneonta-- or other small towns in Central NY-- you can see the poverty, lack of jobs and great schools and the rest.

My general point was that farm deals aren’t deals once you realize that the land ain’t mobile and you will have to deal with the local lack of infrastructure.

That said, I wonder what Central NY was like, say, 50 years ago when all the light industry was still up there.

[merrygoround]

Fifty years ago the major industry was dairy farming. It was then showing signs of decline. By thirty ears ago “buy-out” was the by-word with the fed’s supporting the dissolution of herds. As a result there was a gradual decline in the supporting businesses, feed, hardware, etc that supported dairy. Now they are mostly gone.

So now the area is inhabited by well pensioned retirees in villages and on small plots who absolutely don’t want anyone doing anything with the scenic views created by under utilized farm land, and those remaining farmers slowly go under while paying taxes on real estate that cannot support them. But when it comes to voting the 25 village votes outweigh the one farmer vote. And there you have your economics lesson.

[merrygoround]

Interesting, and accurate.^^^^

[TBROCKS]

Not a farm but look at this place for $105,000:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/32-Church-St_Camden_NY_13316_M41032-40625?row=3

Click on the house picture and it will show you pictures of the interior. WOW.

[red_mares]

[QUOTE=TBROCKS;8176528]
Not a farm but look at this place for $105,000:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/32-Church-St_Camden_NY_13316_M41032-40625?row=3

Click on the house picture and it will show you pictures of the interior. WOW.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I could sell my crappy, 1100 sqft townhouse and buy that place twice!

Of course, I’d have no job…

[SoMuchToLearn]

I’d say this describes Cortland county and points south moreso than central NY in general. Yes, there were many farms, but way back when, the Syracuse area was booming with light industry. My dad talks of the days when GE was so huge it had office space in buildings all throughout the city. Nowadays, the area is full of abandoned factories and campuses. Most of the work has moved overseas. Unemployment is high and under-employment even higher. The local economy basically sucks and it seems to get worse the further south you get.
I totally agree that the property seems like a great deal until you have to make a living and support it.

[QUOTE=vicarious;8176524]
Fifty years ago the major industry was dairy farming. It was then showing signs of decline. By thirty ears ago “buy-out” was the by-word with the fed’s supporting the dissolution of herds. As a result there was a gradual decline in the supporting businesses, feed, hardware, etc that supported dairy. Now they are mostly gone.

So now the area is inhabited by well pensioned retirees in villages and on small plots who absolutely don’t want anyone doing anything with the scenic views created by under utilized farm land, and those remaining farmers slowly go under while paying taxes on real estate that cannot support them. But when it comes to voting the 25 village votes outweigh the one farmer vote. And there you have your economics lesson.[/QUOTE]

[mvp]

[QUOTE=TBROCKS;8176528]
Not a farm but look at this place for $105,000:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/32-Church-St_Camden_NY_13316_M41032-40625?row=3

Click on the house picture and it will show you pictures of the interior. WOW.[/QUOTE]

So many little towns in CNY have broad main streets with houses like that. I think of them as the 19th century industrialists’ mansions. Maybe they did lumber? I dunno how those people living “in town”-- where there seems to be nothing nearby-- made their money.

In modern times, beware the beautiful place that is on the Historic Landmarks Registry. You will spend all your money following their rules. But I’m grateful to people who do care for these wonderful old houses.

And I was thinking of places like Binghamton when Smith-Corona and Morse Chain were big business.

[TBROCKS]

I wonder the same thing mvp. I do know the Erie Canal and the railroad were once central to Upstate’s economy, in addition to farming. Maybe the person who owned this place was with textiles or something.
I’m imagining one HELL of a Halloween party in that place.

[TBROCKS]

[QUOTE=SoMuchToLearn;8176628]
I’d say this describes Cortland county and points south moreso than central NY in general. Yes, there were many farms, but way back when, the Syracuse area was booming with light industry. My dad talks of the days when GE was so huge it had office space in buildings all throughout the city. Nowadays, the area is full of abandoned factories and campuses. Most of the work has moved overseas. Unemployment is high and under-employment even higher. The local economy basically sucks and it seems to get worse the further south you get.
I totally agree that the property seems like a great deal until you have to make a living and support it.[/QUOTE]

Practically everyone in my family from decades ago worked at GE. I’m from Utica and GE had a manufacturing plant there as well. That was before the huge economic depression and the death of the local dairy farmer decimated the economy.
Utica, like most of upstate, is now mostly a service industry. Restaurants, big box stores, hospitals, and a HUGE psychiatric prison. A few over priced hotels, some of which you would never want to stay in, charging $180 a night. It’s really sad.