Oh yes - you’ll show them!
Well, this is not HR so it will get shut down soon, but maybe before it does, maybe Equibrit and snoopy can explain to me how a Sudanese refugee carrying a flag is crass?
Perhaps the guy just deserves it. Even if there is a sub text to the act of carrying a flag, really, so be it.
What if the Olympics were in the US and an Iraqui para-olympian who lost his leg during the US invasion of Iraq carried the flag? Would that be crass?
And with that I will sit back and watch the fireworks 
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That is all well and good in the USA. Athletes are GUESTs in China and should behave as such.
I am always amazed when americans feel that their amendment rights extend beyond their borders.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU! Once you step onto the soil of a different country you must abide by their laws. If you go to China and say something you are not allowed to say or do and get arrested, don’t pull the first Amendment line because it won’t work. Your a guest in their country, so for the short time you’re there you must abide by the laws they have in tact.
Yes - if it was calculated to embarass the host nation.
Mozart-
You have a very good point. But in the USA, the Iraqui would have every right to do that. Those that supported him would have every right to do so vocally, and those that opposed him would have every right to do so vocally. And the news commentators would have a field day–and no one would be shot or thrown in prison!
God bless America!:lol:
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China had to compete to get the games. They wanted us----not the other way around.
I am always amazed when people think that violence against women, children and animals is “okay” when it is part of someone else’s culture.
We have a right to freedom of speech as Americans not to be penalized by the US Government for voicing our opinions. Of course, China has the right to do to Americans whatever it does to its own citizens in its own country…WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD WATCHES.[/QUOTE]
Violence in any form is not OKAY. I do not agree with China’s policies in the least.
As far as China “wanting us”, well that is really not the point. China did not agree to uphold the constitution of the US or to honour its ammendments. When an American agrees to enter another country that american is bouond by the laws of that country. I do not drive on the left side of the road in the US just because my country allows it. It is not my “right” in the US.
I do not remember posting that! Can you show me that? My post is in response to what I quoted.
But I doubt that another nation would abuse the hospitality of their host in that way.
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Violence in any form is not OKAY. I do not agree with China’s policies in the least.
As far as China “wanting us”, well that is really not the point. China did not agree to uphold the constitution of the US or to honour its ammendments. When an American agrees to enter another country that american is bouond by the laws of that country. I do not drive on the left side of the road in the US just because my country allows it. It is not my “right” in the US.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect I expect this from Europeans they don’t get who and what America stands for…
Who said that they weren’t? Did anyone say that? The whole point of non-violent resistance is to take a stand and protest DESPITE THE LAWS and at great personal risk. How do you think the Jim Crow laws in the USA were overturned? How do you think apartheid was ended?
You stand up for what you believe and take your lumps. And in that way, public opinion is turned.
Im proud that the USA is doing that, but… it will cause some issues, IMO. They are rubbing the others nose in it and nothing good will come out of that. Im sure there will be issues over there somewhere.
I know that everyone was told NOT to speak out against any issues of the Chinese Goverment. That is hard to do when you see the horrid poverty over there! 
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But I doubt that another nation would abuse the hospitality of their host in that way.[/QUOTE]
Please explain what the U.S. is doing wrong? An American citizen is carry the flag please explain to me what Chinese law we are breaking? thank you:lol:
You are kidding, right? Did you hear Ahmadinejad at Columbia University? :lol:
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Well, this is not HR so it will get shut down soon, but maybe before it does, maybe Equibrit and snoopy can explain to me how a Sudanese refugee carrying a flag is crass?
Perhaps the guy just deserves it. Even if there is a sub text to the act of carrying a flag, really, so be it.
What if the Olympics were in the US and an Iraqui para-olympian who lost his leg during the US invasion of Iraq carried the flag? Would that be crass?
And with that I will sit back and watch the fireworks [/QUOTE]
no need to shut this down everyone is entitled to their opinions…How boring if we agreed on everything:)
My American passport is EXACTLY the same as the one that you hold. I’m not sure that you realize what America appears to stand for when viewed from outside.
Oh damn, won’t be making any comments about Ghandi or British Imperialism, I guess. :lol::lol:
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My American passport is EXACTLY the same as the one that you hold.[/QUOTE]
and mine as well. And with that I am bound by the laws and cutoms of the USA whilst here. I do not however feel that because I hold dual citizenship that I am given the right to exercise those rights and privledges in another country.
And ain’t it great to be able to express your own opinion? 
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My American passport is EXACTLY the same one that you hold.[/QUOTE]
If you notice I was responding after snoopy posted…and you are entitled to your opinion but I notice you have not shown where the U.S. has broken any laws…You do know the athletes voted for him to carry the flag NOT the U.S. government… Are you saying he does not deserve it?
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If you notice I was responding after snoopy posted…and you are entitled to your opinion but I notice you have not shown where the U.S. has broken any laws…You do know the athletes voted for him to carry the flag NOT the U.S. government… Are you saying he does not deserve it?[/QUOTE]
My posts have nothing to do with who was chosen to carry the US flag, but rather to address the fact the China has every right to deny entry into their country what ever their reasons…same as the US.
