Looks like a cross to me but my Arab skillz be rusty now.
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Off topic but BFNE, I’m curious about what it is you hate about riding ISH’s, particularly as they seem to be one of the go to horses for eventing?[/QUOTE]
i can’t speak for BFNE, but ISHs aren’t my type of ride either. the few i’ve ridden haven’t been sensitive enough for me - but i did appreciate their tractability.
P.PS here is the mare’s page:
http://www.debutarabians.com/forsale/veronica-mars
I would guess she is a saddlebred x arab, personally.
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Off topic but BFNE, I’m curious about what it is you hate about riding ISH’s, particularly as they seem to be one of the go to horses for eventing?[/QUOTE]
Most of the ones that I’ve known are more kick type of rides. They can have a real cheeky streak that you either like or don’t. I’ve also known many I would not say are allergic to hitting rails. It is really hard to tell as many ISH have a lot of WB now…but they just generally are not my type of ride. I prefer more sensitive horses…I do well with TBs, Arabs and horses more of a full blood type. But they can be GREAT horses for others…I’ve known many that were fantastic but just not my preferred type of ride. Many of my own Favorite horses would not be a preferred ride for others. It is just about knowing what type of ride YOU like.
Tractability is good. And I would agree that my ISH (RID x TB - not warmblood) colt is not overly sensitive which, for me, is a plus.
And thanks BFNE for the explanation. Yes, I’ve gotten glimmers of cheeky. Will have to wait and see about clobbering rails. Wonder what makes some more willing to do so and others that try very hard to not have that happen. And I have to say it’s not always the sensitive one’s that are adverse to clocking rails, though in my own experience it may simply be distractability.
Just to be clear…I actually like cheeky…and quirky. I also like SMART. But sensitive is my preferred type of ride and horse to be around. Not everyone likes that type. That said…sensitive generally are also allergic to hitting rails (one of the good things about it). But for eventing…they just have to be sensitive enough to mostly leave the rails up 
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ETA: Yeah…I’m wrong. Found her ad. She just reminds me more of the Polish arabs I rode as a kid. I like her but she will require the right type of rider.[/QUOTE]
Agreed but she has good size and is a lovely mover at liberty. If one already liked Arabs and wanted size, she’s nice.
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Just to be clear…I actually like cheeky…and quirky. I also like SMART. But sensitive is my preferred type of ride and horse to be around. Not everyone likes that type. That said…sensitive generally are also allergic to hitting rails (one of the good things about it). But for eventing…they just have to be sensitive enough to mostly leave the rails up ;)[/QUOTE]
Good eye. Her sire is heavily Bask bred.
She is 1/2 and 1/2, her dam being Saddlebred.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/prosuasion
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=VICTORYS+NINE+ELEVEN&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
-All the Saddlebred sires -past the actual sire- are well known, top horses in the breed.
I’ve always thought the TB x Saddlebred cross would be ideal for eventing, I’ve seen a few; but there is no marketing machine for that.
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Good eye. Her sire is heavily Bask bred.
She is 1/2 and 1/2, her dam being Saddlebred.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/prosuasion
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=VICTORYS+NINE+ELEVEN&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
-All the Saddlebred sires -past the actual sire- are well known, top horses in the breed.[/QUOTE]
I thought so. Those and the French lines I think are often best for sports like eventing. They just have a different look.
That third horse is super cute and you have the benefit of knowing it jumps with its knees up and fairly round, not something Arabs always do. Plus it looks pretty sensible and appears to have a nice start. Horse 1 is cute but appears to have been started by an incompetent so you will have to undo all that. I like the horse itself but there is so much wrong with the training there. 2 is cute but not sure it is broke and not sure if it will be sensible. Adorable face. It looks more Egyptian to me but I don’t know that much about Arabs. I have ridden a few and loved them. Smart, handsome, eager to please. Arab/quarter cross can also be great for jumping low levels.
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I thought so. Those and the French lines I think are often best for sports like eventing. They just have a different look.[/QUOTE]
Yes they do, more body substance and good hips. The Russian Arabians can also be very nice and have been incorporated into some warmblood registries like the Trakehner. The stallion Oskar comes to mind who is a grandson of Pomeranets who is by Priboj.
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As a viewer from across the pond, I am always curious why the Saddlebred isn’t used more in eventing. Seems to have a lot going for it http://www.americansaddlebredsporthorse.net/[/QUOTE]
I have to agree–why do you need half to be Arab?? lol
I event a Saddlebred and know a few others who do too. They are athletic, smart and willing. The ones with a more show-ring-type confirmation may not be built for the upper levels, but that’s not where most ammys are playing.
And, since they aren’t a popular breed on the sport-horse side, you can sometimes get a lot of horse for the money… demand hasn’t driven up the prices, but as a fan of the breed, I hope that changes.
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I have to agree–why do you need half to be Arab?? lol
I event a Saddlebred and know a few others who do too. They are athletic, smart and willing. The ones with a more show-ring-type confirmation may not be built for the upper levels, but that’s not where most ammys are playing.
And, since they aren’t a popular breed on the sport-horse side, you can sometimes get a lot of horse for the money… demand hasn’t driven up the prices, but as a fan of the breed, I hope that changes.[/QUOTE]
in a way, that is how i feel about standardbreds.
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in a way, that is how i feel about standardbreds.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Standardbreds, get one that trots and has a decent walk/canter. They are known to have very even, tolerant, ammy-friendly temperaments and can also be had for cheap.
There is a reason the Amish favor Standardbreds and Saddlebreds…they can be found cheap and most will tolerate the grueling nature of buggy life. It is a shame more ammys don’t tap into these athletic, willing breeds.
The Amish favor Standardbreds because they are carthorses and are bred to trot or pace in harness. The downside to a Standardbred for a galloping sport is that it does not have a natural canter, it is bred to trot or pace at very high speeds. That is great if you are Amish and want to get places fast in a cart, not so much if you want to event. I have ridden several and they were hard to get to canter in a balanced way. They would canter of course but…it was not all that pretty. Often lateral. A few paced which is really actually great fun for trail riding but it’s not an event prospect. They are very sensible horses and wonderful if you want a trail or pleasure horse. Perfect for that.
But Saddlebreds can be great jumpers because they are naturally at least three gaited, and are bred to have high knee action and even if they don’t have a ton of scope, they can jerk their knees up out of the way. When I was a kid I rode a few Saddlebreds in the Children’s/Adult Jumpers on the A circuit for my trainer. They were great fun to ride, terrific horses. Sensible and sensitive. Loved them. They would be terrific low level eventers. I think they lend themselves to amateurs and dressage too.
I would think you’d have trouble getting horse #1 to relax enough for a nice dressage test. Probably doesn’t have a good gallop either with that floaty extended trot.
Horse #2, no idea. My gut says relaxation issues there too.
Horse #3, like him a lot for lower levels. He looks to be a bit downhill, so I think you’d spend a good deal of time getting him off his forehand for dressage and possibly have issues jumping above 2’9".
OP showed up and left the party.
Some Saddlebreds make Eventers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKhzrJca2c&list=PLNeae2LF_YmAWilJ-_ruCSGc1qFc1JGLV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdKhzrJca2c&list=PLNeae2LF_YmAWilJ-_ruCSGc1qFc1JGLV
I think everyone should go have a great ride if they can!
