Spookiness in young horses

This, for sure.

My horse was older than OP’s but still pretty green when I got him, and his previous owner had definitely overfaced him. He was really lacking confidence, and isn’t the bravest type to start with, so we had a LOT of refusals. He was very similar - stop the first time, usually fine coming around for the second try after he’d seen it.

We just went very slow and steady. We kept the jumps small and gave him time to figure out we weren’t going to ask him to do anything he wasn’t capable of or punish him for honest mistakes. It’s been a process but he’s so much more confident now and as long as I don’t completely leave him hanging on approach he jumps pretty much whatever we point him at. He’s never going to be the boldest horse on the xcountry course, that’s just not who he is, but that’s OK.

A big part of his issues were also due to fitness, so that’s something to consider especially with a younger horse. He was out of work when I got him and the lack of strength and balance made even small jumps harder than they should have been, which contributed to his general sense of “ohmygod this is scary.” Proper conditioning is a necessary base for building confidence, and depending on what kind of 4 year old you have jumping may just be too physically hard right now.

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Completely normal for a 4yo horse. What I often do is just periodically trot around over logs and small fences following an older horse so they learn confidence. Every few jumps switch and have the young horse go first for a couple times. If they stop and look at it, that’s fine, let them walk over it or come back and do it again. Jump chutes are also very helpful for confidence building- keep it small and add flower boxes and things and let them figure it out. Don’t chase them but lots of praise for jumping through.

4yo is just a baby. They are learning how to deal with their body and their own emotions at that age. Keeping things chill is the first priority and letting them figure it out on their own while being reassuring but without too much help is the second. They need to build faith in their ability to handle things. an older calm horse can be invaluable out on trails and popping logs, going into water etc.

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This is normal for a 4 y/o. I came here to suggest you find an older horse to have your young horse follow, but I see Amberley beat me to it. Everything they said is spot on.

Keep in mind they are still learning how to balance with a rider, and now you’ve asked them to JUMP over things. Keep it low key and casual, and don’t be afraid to let them inspect fences first. It will not teach them to stop at fences. It will show them that you are only ever asking fair questions. Reward them for trying and keep it simple.

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Lots of good stuff here. The essence is leg means go, and you can reinforce that core tenet without any jumping at all (transitions). As @NancyM speaks of above, they need to trust you will never put them into trouble, and the leg becomes the little hug of confidence they need. Inevitably, most horses will find some jump, somewhere, scary, and they need to know that leg means it’s okay to go first and think later.

I’m also a fan of mixing the jumps into the flatwork. Little jumps, no filler, big enough to walk over if needed (because the ask is so easy that stopping should really not be an option, at all), but while you’re trotting circles and such in your warm up, just nonchalantly pop over one of those, go back to flatwork, repeat, same thing at canter. You’re not scaring them with filler, but you are introducing an element of surprise that will likely leave them questioning for a moment, and that’s when you send them forward and They Don’t Die and trust is learned. When that’s Totally No Big Deal throw a flower box in, and be prepared to start all over lol.

This is also good for humans that tend to really change the way they ride when it’s “time to start jumping” :slight_smile:

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Keep in mind it’s the riders job to make their horse brave! Don’t let your horse stop at the fences, keep them low enough you can get them over no matter what. You can show them the fences but if you are asking them to go, they need to GO.

If it’s not improving with time then ask your trainer to help you with how you are approaching the fences.

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This in spades. Keep the jumps low enough that you can walk them if needed. Do NOT get in the habit of showing them to her, or it will become a crutch. She stops, you keep her there and reassure her, then over you go.

Your relationship is new - once she knows you, knows you won’t overface her, and trusts you to call the shots… she won’t be so wiggly. This all takes time.

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I agree it takes time and that when you get them to the place where it gets boring, a lot of that spook can soften.

I also think ground work helps build the bond and the trust. When they start to take some accountability for their own bodies, they build confidence as well. the TRT method is great for this. I highly recommend that for you and your young horse. As well as riding outside the arena, that can also build some confidence. We tend to ignore the groundwork and getting outside the arena, but they’re both really helpful for horse and rider.

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Is it a spook at the jump (as in, she’s genuinely spooking at the fence itself and scared of the jump/what it looks like) or is it a lack of confidence to jump? Hard to explain the difference over text, but I think of these as two different things. The spook is the reaction to the physical jump itself being scary, where the petering out because of a lack of confidence is more of a reaction to the physical act of having to jump the jump, regardless of what it looks like, and not having the confidence and knowledge bank to do that smoothly and confidently yet.

The second I’ve found always improves and it pretty typical in a lot of young horses. The first I think generally does improve but is more hit or miss. If you’re only seeing the “spook” when you’re approaching the fence (as opposed to walking by it, or walking up to it) I’d guess its less a fear reaction to the look of the jump and more just a baby horse lacking confidence.

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It seems to be more the first option you described because she will jump something the first time if it’s relatively plain without too much fill or flowers underneath. The spook is definitely there just walking up to the jump, she’ll snort at it and sometimes jump when her breath moves a flower :rofl: I will say that her reaction to walking up to a scary jump (snorting, jumping if a flower moves) makes it seem like she will be way more dramatic than she actually is, when you actually go over it. Showing her first seems to really help, once I show her, she’ll mildly peek over the the top when jumping it but generally doesn’t jump huge or even spook much on the approach.

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So many things factor in to baby horses learning to jump, or really any essential life skill. First, the personality of the animal itself and how it was brought up. One who has innate confidence vs one who may be more of an introvert. If they were raised fairly but firmly by humans or were they spoiled and don’t think they need to behave. Were they brought along slowly and correctly to point x or were things left out and were they perhaps rushed a bit.
All young horses IMO should learn basic manners–tying, leading politely without force, loading and standing quietly on the trailer, how to longe at all gaits politely, etc. These basic skills establish trust and respect on the ground and then the same must be established under saddle. All of the above advice is good. Every horse is different and may require different timelines and schedules. Variety is key. Hacking out over trails with interesting terrain is a great way to build trust and confidence under saddle. Walking is my gait of choice for this. The horse also must learn when you ask it to move forward it must do so, whether into a trailer, over a log, through a puddle or over a jump. Never ask the question without the ability to ensure the answer is carried out. If you do not have the time to make sure the horse walks through the puddle (for example) then don’t take that on at that point. Do not overface, and do not back down. Too many times people bite off more than they or the horse can chew and then need to give up–this is a very negative learning experience. Always build up from tiny successes to bigger ones. Walk over the pole first, then the cavaletti, then the tiny jump. Quit when you are ahead. Small lessons go a long way. You can absolutely build bravery and confidence, but it is way easier to destroy it. Always let your horse know they can trust you and know you have built the skills and the relationship to have them answer the question you are asking. As someone on this forum said recently, learning to ride and learning to train are two very different things. You are always training–make sure you are training the behaviors you want. Take trailer loading as an example–it is such a seemingly simple thing to ask a horse to walk into a trailer. And yet there are so many horse people who don’t take the time to teach their animals this valuable safety feature and skill. Done correctly, and with appropriate practice, the horse will learn to walk on and stand calmly every time. This means putting them on and off ages before a trip needs to be taken for practice, letting them have dinner on the trailer, going for rides with a buddy, reinforcing the getting on if they develop an opinion that trailering is not fun (loud and scary to ride in the moving box). Same with jumping. Start tiny, set up many “wins”, make sure the animal has the basic fitness and strength, don’t progress more quickly than they are ready for, don’t do too much, and provide variety. Be prepared to answer the opinion (horse says maybe jumping is hard and I don’t feel like it today) question at some point also. This requires a gentle but firm forward ride over a small enough jump that the horse can jump almost from a standstill. The process with learning any new skill can take months to years–these are critical periods in which the guides holding your horse’s hand (riders, handlers, trainers) are so important in their knowledge, skill and empathy.

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All incredibly well said, @Trekkie :clap:

I have restarted so many horses that quit or rush fences due to this, frankly, old school philosophy. They won’t “learn” to stop. They will learn that they should rush through things they are worried about mindlessly or you’ll get after them for it. Much better to let your young horse think about things a bit and then have a good experience after a think and a re-try.

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They’ll only learn this if the rider/trainer raises the height and complexity too fast. If they can literally step over it, I’m going to treat it the same as I do any other obstacle found on the trail etc. Face it, any attempt at going forward gets a release of pressure and a 10 second think time. Rinse, repeat.

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Thank you. Pressuring young horses over things like this, even if small, is so counterproductive.

OP, if you aren’t, let your young horse trot all these jumps the first time or two. Some of them just need more time to process and think on the way to a jump while they are still learning.

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Has absolutely nothing to do with rushing or scaring the horse over the fence. Whatever you are picturing isn’t what I’m suggesting. I never said a thing about “getting after them”. Sounds like you learned in a force full type training environment and that’s NOT what I am suggesting.

If your horse is frantic or rushing scared over the fence because you ask them to walk over from a stop then they need to go back down to poles. They shouldn’t be that stressed from approaching a simple small fence.

It’s simply that if the horse stops, there is no other option than going forward over the fence.

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This Facebook post addresses the issue in general, and if you look at some of the other posts on that page, there are more specific examples involved.

https://www.facebook.com/search_results/?q=Jack+legoff

I also feel like this is normal in a young horse. One thing to try is working her over different types of jumps from the ground - sometimes you can be more effective and the horse can have more confidence if they’re not worrying about the rider on their back. On the ground, take her over tarps, flower boxes, roll tops - just about whatever new thing you can find. The more she sees and is confident around new things, the less she will be spooky.

Tik Maynard has a great masterclass where he says a young or spooky horse will go through fear, curiosity, play, acceptance, and indifference to new things. A confident horse will default more straight to acceptance or indifference, but if they aren’t naturally confident, they will only get there by being allowed to go through the other stages first, which is why “making them go” or “bending them away from what is scaring them” doesn’t work and doesn’t transfer from place to place.

I’m sure she will grow out of it, but exposing her to more things on the ground and letting her develop a sense of self regulation will help quite a bit! 1x a week instead of a ride, I would pick something new and “spooky” and let her become comfortable with it on the ground.

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Honestly try ground work, look up the TRT or a similar method. I’ve had a lot of success with my yearling and my ground work trainer says it can work on older nervous and spooky horses. Its teaching them to look to you for assurance and how to manage stress on their own.

I spend 2 yrs dealing with this with ups and downs then got a new blacksmith and shod all around and the “spookiness” disappeared!

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