Sprenger bits- worth the $$?

btw, I’m a bit-a-holic… just so you know. :wink:

How about bit material- has anyone really noticed a difference between SS, German Silver, and the Aurigan? Mikmar also has one in a copper alloy they call Cupreon. Everyone insists theirs is best.
The difference can be dramatic, or subtle. My mare went fairly dramatically different in GS. My stallion prefers Neverrust, when it really comes down to it… but there is a subtle but real difference between GS and SS.

The cuve of the arms can be as important as anything. The stallion MUST HAVE CURVES. The first time I tried a Myler on him, even though it was too bit, there was this huge difference. I then found JP bits which are just slightly thicker and yet still curved–and half the price. He went fabulously in a JP fullcheek until we began 2nd/3rd-ish work and the fullcheek was a little too dead. (I’d about sell my soul for a JP Fulmer, but I digress.)

On some horses too, with fine heads, loose rings begin to develop gag action. The way the old “Irish Hunter” bits worked on a TB head–big ol’ 4" rings… well, put a nice big 3" ring on a refined head and muzzle–same effect. It can be just too much.

In the end, the absolute best thing you can do is borrow. Borrow EVERYTHING and see what your horse likes. My first mare was very light and elegant, always just, just behind the contact though. Just enough for there to be real tension in the poll/neck/back etc. The weight of the reins was the extent of her contact, ever. Then one day I tried an HS mullen, and it was nothing short of miraculous. A MULLEN mouth of all things.

Ironically, the stallion’s favorite bit (they are similarly bred on the sire side, FWIW) is a mullen mouth pelham. I’ve never quite found the snaffle he’s AS blissfully happy in… but we’ve come close.

Beg, steal… BORROW… really. Try as many as you can. It’s often counterintuitive. It’s their mouth, let them decide.

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OK, now I’m confused. Does anyone know the difference between the KK Ultra and the Dynamic RS bits?[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know what the difference is? I can’t seem to find it

Pintopiaffe - I’ve seen many horses respond really well once they’re in a mullen mouth, too. The thing is - I also find that they’re harder to turn in them. I can’t ride as subtle-y in one, usually. For that reason, I tend to stick with young horses and mullens…once they’re more advanced things get trickier! (I’m sure as the rider I’m to blame for that too of course).

My old jumper went in a mullen mouth pelham. Back then it was hard to find one that wasn’t the really thick bar though (the black rubber type). I think he would have gone even better if I had something less thick in his mouth - he had a pretty thick tongue.

Me either!

With the RS, the mouthpiece is curved.

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I was mighty disappointed in their spurs, though. One of my knob-ends snapped in half, and that’s when I discovered that they were metal-coated filler material.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

The same thing happened to my knob end HS spurs, and it was not like I was stretching them out or anything either. I was very dissapointed!

Look on the Neue schul site. They describe their bitting philosohpy and give very detailed instruction. Might want to order bits from them directly or from UK as the one’s I’ve seen locally were very high priced. US prices posted in UK were much lower. Beautiful bits and a good substitute for Kangaroo bits that we can no longer get-sigh…:cry:

eBay is a great place to find Kangaroo bits.

Thanks, Iride!

I was reading the text and not looking at the picture. I did notice that the DS picture was displayed in a “hanging” position, but duh, didn’t click.

My horse seems to be a 5.5; this bit only comes in 5.25 and 5.75. Given that it’s curved and eggbutt, what size would folks order? Is it a greater sin to be too big or too small?

jan

I think that bits with links (lozenges/beans) you usually go one size bigger. As to the bit brand you’re looking at I’m not really sure how you’d choose…maybe buy both and see which fits better? Wrap the arms with latex to prevent tooth scratches and if sending it back, disinfect it first? Buying bits is never easy!

IME most people have a habit of buying bits that are too big for the horse. If you can, buy one of each and try them on. You don’t want a lot of bit sticking out the sides of the mouth.

This bit fits my mare well and you can see how much comes out the sides of her mouth over the flash:

http://lipizzanworld.com/mistybrae/main.php?g2_itemId=5941

Eileen

Roan, can I just say your mare has the most STUNNING face? Wow. Just lovely.

Smokey says “I could be the man for you, baby.”

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x182/estarianne/newbridle.jpg

In the dreaded eggbutt.

Yea, Mtshowjumper, I didn’t deform my spurs either and the one snapped for no good reason (of course, right before my ride). i always liked how light they were…now I know why they were so light!

I think the ideal bit length depends on the horse. In a fatter bit, the bit might slide less and not risk pinching the lips between the bit and the ring as much. In a thinner bit, the bit may move more or the horse may more easily place the bean with the tongue, sliding the ring towards the tongue. This increases the possibility of pinching the lips with some horses. When my current horse moved to a thinner bit, I used the proper sized loosering for about 3 rides. She tossed her head and started to go up as the rides went on. Apparently, her fleshy lips caught and pinched at the ring (I do not use a flash on this horse so maybe that contributed to “lip spread”), creating little sores on both sides of her mouth. Her current thin snaffle (has a bean in the center) is 5 3/4" although she technically measures more like 5 1/4", but she’s not happy in anything smaller unless it is thick. Go figure! Every clinician I’ve worked with said the bit is too long. I say “yes, yes, I know, but here’s the story…”. Darned fleshy lips.

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. . .Her current thin snaffle (has a bean in the center) is 5 3/4" although she technically measures more like 5 1/4", but she’s not happy in anything smaller unless it is thick. Go figure! Every clinician I’ve worked with said the bit is too long. I say “yes, yes, I know, but here’s the story…”. Darned fleshy lips.[/QUOTE]Whatever works, IMO.

Oh, and as an aside, that flash I have pictured on my mare is loose enough for me to stick my fist through it. She doesn’t need it – actually hates it – and I only had it on the bridle so I wouldn’t lose it.

When I finally took the flash off and stored it, I noticed she became a lot more forward without it. I think even as loose as it was it was interfering with her chewing the bit – whether physically or psychologically.

Eileen

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Roan, can I just say your mare has the most STUNNING face? Wow. Just lovely.[/QUOTE]

Why, thank you, pintopiaffe!

Eileen

WOOT!!
I recieved my WH Ultra D-Ring (yes D-ring, back when I ordered it I thought we’d be going hunters, haha) today!!

I went up too (5 3/4), as I’ve heard that you will probably need larger in the HS lozenges, and my mare honestly prefers the 5 3/4 in any bit, even though she’s technically closer to a 5 1/2.

A shout out to Bonnie at Reage, who sent a tube of bit paste for the backorder, and for having a sale just in time for me to buy the bit!! (still on, I think!)

Miss Fussy was a little goofy with her cheapie interim bit and I was thinking I’d like to have something with a little more weight… so I"m expecting ‘bit perfection’ with this one. Otherwise I know someone who’ll be buying a loose ring but have a D ring to lend :wink:

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Smokey says “I could be the man for you, baby.”

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x182/estarianne/newbridle.jpg

In the dreaded eggbutt.[/QUOTE]

Smokey is a very handsome boy, Ambrey. I love his head! Very masculine and eye-catching.

Eileen

I will tell you, I NEVER thought I’d develop a thing for convex faces, but I totally have. Smokey’s is more drafty (although his head isn’t as heavy looking as many drafts) but the baroque look makes me swoon.

A trainer at the barn got in 4 lusitano stallions several weeks ago. They are… just positively droolworthy. I keep telling Lewin to walk her mare by and I’ll “accidentally” open the stall door, but she’s not going for it :wink:

It’s those heads, I tell you.

As mouthy as SMokey is, the flash doesn’t bother him one whit. It also doesn’t keep his mouth closed. It does, as it should, keep the bit positioned.

I think as long as you’re not cranking it , the flash isn’t really annoying to the horse.