Stamms --- I am very confused.

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7257622]
Bayhawk, as long as you are here, there is a head that I associate with Holsteiners. It’s more or less wedge shaped with a very broad brow ans a comparatively short nose, but not at all dished. Am I imagining this? If not, is it thought to come from the mares or the C-line sires? It’s very attractive.[/QUOTE]

I know just the head you are speaking of viney and it’s lovely. It’s a very intelligent look, broad between the eyes with large eyes and a tad shorter nose. It often seems to be paired with a bit of curve to the ears as well, from what I have seen. I’ve won bets as to what breed a horse was by that head…lol.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it came from Ramzes or his sons. Thanks to the vigorous line-breeding done in Holsteiners, the “R” blood is still very much apparent and vibrant, whereas in Westphalia/Oldenburg it’s gotten much diluted.