I can fully attest to the effectiveness of the shock collar!! I won’t go into the details, but it does work and breaks the habit, period!! On a note - the horse shock collar is weaker than the dog collar - if you use a dog version you have to use it on a much lower setting as horses are MUCH more sensitive to the shock! The nice thing is you can use it from the comfort of your bed!!! and the horse doesn’t relate the shocking to an irate human, but to the bad behavior!! Much more effective than chains. The only other options I’ve used… before they had shock collars…was to put hobbles on the back legs. More drastic than the collar, but I have seen horses break legs kicking their own stalls!!
No, no ulcers. He is a happy, healthy little mule. Also not territorial…he loves his neighbors, and will share hay piles, etc with them.
And they all do stay out during the warmer months, but in the winter they like to come in because of the lack of shelter.
If he were left outside, he would simply kick the metal gate. He LOVES the sound the chain makes banging against it. The other two are happier inside, and he hates to be separated from them.
Bottom line is, he’s doing it to be a brat because he wants breakfast before I’m ready to feed it, and that’s unacceptable. So I’ll try some kick chains on him and see how it goes…
(Note: I do NOT want this to turn into a gigantic argument about how it’s better to just keep him turned out, etc, etc, etc. My horses are out for 12 hours a day in the winter and basically 24/7 in the warm months. They come inside at night during the winter, and that’s just how it is. His kicking is simply rudeness.)
Not sure if this was mentioned yet as I just glanced through the posts …but sometimes just putting bell boots on the hind feet work. I had one gelding that would kick through the chains & you had to wear hind stall bandages on him all the time as he would kick till his hind legs stocked up… Put bell boots on him & he stopped… might work for yours also…
Kick chains - love them!!
I live above my barn and we have one snotty mare that kicks the snot out of the wall between her and the gelding. She knows exactly what the kick chains are. I only put on one and always at the rear leg at the side she kicks at. She never kicks with those chains on. Never had an injury from them either, even when my SO accidentally turned her out wearing it one day (not to be recommended!)
A friend of mine in PA recently bought something that has been very successful at stopping one of her horses from kicking its stall door. I don’t know much about it but apparently it is called QuitKick. Anyone heard of it? My friend in PA says it’s wonderful and her horse has stopped kicking completely… food for thought…
My draft horse occasionally paws at his door when he wants his breakfast. He’s an early riser so it can be a problem, as his feet are the size of the computer screen.
I called a local gymnastic company and they helped me find inexpensive, durable, tumbling mats which we bolted to the wall. They work like a charm. I also have one across his door which I secure with double ended snaps. When he figured out how to undo the snaps, I now put a drop of Tabasco sauce on the snaps and he leaves them alone.
It works really well.
I have a horse that puts his nose down inside his feed bucket and bang, bang bang bangs the back of the bucket against the wall.
We take his feed bucket out at night in the summer because the windows are open and he wakes us up too.
I say go the shock collar route first to stop the behavior. If the shock collar doesn’t cure him the chains probably won’t either.
Then, even though you like the looks of your barn, you can designate him a permanent stall that is matted. I have seen the mats hung from two bys that are a few inches from the wall. When they kick, the mats swings back and pops them in the legs! You can take the mats down when he learns, then see if it sticks.
Or you could have the owner spend the night in the barn so she could see how annoying her horse is!
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What about using a haybag?[/QUOTE]For some reason, I read this as “handbag”, and imagined Aunt Esther coming in and whomping the horse upside the head every time he started kicking :lol:
Found this via Google - www.quitkickusa.com - might be worth checking out. It’s the thing my pal in PA has on her stall…
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Or you could have the owner spend the night in the barn so she could see how annoying her horse is![/QUOTE]
Ha! I am the owner…I know exactly how annoying the little bugger is. :lol:
My Alpha kicks everything, when any other horse gets close…I Hate It!!!:no:
Hmm, you’ve been revisiting a lot of old threads about stall kicking recently… Are you perhaps involved in this QuitKick enterprise? Just wondering since you don’t have a lot of posts, and all 3 are related to QuitKick. I mean, I’m interested in the product, but there’s no need to hide it if you are involved with it = )
Or maybe you’re just one of those people like my dad who HAS to share his new found product wisdom with everyone, haha. Either way, I will look into it, so I suppose your tactics have worked. I just feel like you might be being a tad sneaky, haha.
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A very old and very good friend of mine is involved with it, I admit. Personally I have nothing to do with it other than wishing a friend every success with what looks like a good product. We all know that breaking new products into what is a very conservatrice market, never mind in this economy, is hard work. Besides, I have been involved with horses for many years and seen a lot of kicking injuries and crazy products (mostly involving electric shocks!) that have attempted to tackle it. So I won’t hide it from you - I am not directly involved but I do have an interest in seeing it succeed! And by the way, I certainly wouldn’t do this if I thought it was a piece of junk. =)
Any chance you could rig up something like ‘The Grazer’ that would keep him from eating his hay too fast so that he has some left come morning?
I checked it out, looks interesting and like it would probably work especially well for those that are generally feeding time offenders. It’ll be nice when the back and side wall options are available as well.
It’s comforting to know I have options to remedy my 2 year old colt’s stall kicking, however, he only kicks when I take his stable mate out of his sight- even just around a corner- never mind a trail ride- he crys and kicks like he is dying. I have both on my farm, so I need something to work automatically when he is alone.
I can’t leave him out when I go because he runs constantly and threatens to jump the fence!
He loves water spray, so the spray gun and QuitKick won’t work- in fact, might encourage him.
Mats and kick chains sound promising.
On kick chains, do you put them just above the hock, or coronet band? Will someone please detail that option? Would a chain from a lead line work with a spur strap?
On mats, affix flat to the wall or leave a space? How were the tumbling mats attached?
Thank you all so very much!
Welcome to COTH?
??? because your 1st post goes on a 9yo thread.
Highly unlikely any of the original posters will reply.
Possible noone will answer because (unlike me) they checked the date thread originated - this one in 2008 :eek:
If you found the thread by Search, you’d still get better responses starting a thread or your own.
That is, if you are not a Bot.
Same problem…same solutions…
I had good luck with kicking chains also. I upgraded them with much heavier chain from the hardware store. My problem child thought the lightweight chains were entertaining. Not so much with the heavy chains
My draftie did this when he lived at home. He could see into the house and when he wanted attention, thought breakfast was running a little late or saw me washing dishes at the kitchen sink, he would paw the wall with his giant hooves. It was so loud, it could wake me out of a sound sleep and I was worried that it was carrying across the night air to annoy my neighbors.
I went to our local gymnastic studio and ordered four thick, heavy duty tumbling mats through them. I bolted them to the wall and they worked like a miracle. I’ve seen people bolt stall mats to the wall, but the heavy duty tumbling mats are great sound proofing.
Best of luck with your kicker.