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There has been more horses die at Mike Gill’s barn the last week than I’ve seen killers taking horses away from Suffolk the last four years or so.[/QUOTE]
Remember when you were asking what you exaggerated about? This is a real good example. This statement is the definition of hyperbole and doesn’t influence anyone with more than a few brain cells to rub together. For a start on how to improve your debating technique, exactly what number are we talking about here? How many horses have died? How many died from what? Were these preventable injuries? Did you witness these deaths or did you hear this from another party? Is that person reliable and in a position to witness this? Your entire argument is built on one outlandish statement.
The mind boggles. You don’t want your anonymous alter to be associated with the website so you will continue to post (thus strengthening the ties to the website) until such time as it is deleted? Paint my gums purple and slap me in a plane, but that makes no sense at all.
To return to topic, Irakme, I like the idea of a central barn for horses who are available. Wouldn’t it be nice for both trainers and non-race buyers if there was one central location where you could go and look at horses.
Oddly, horselover101 never requested to have her account deleted, but a different poster on this thread with the same IP address did. 
We’ve switched off the tractor beam for that IP address as well.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
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To return to topic, Irakme, I like the idea of a central barn for horses who are available. Wouldn’t it be nice for both trainers and non-race buyers if there was one central location where you could go and look at horses.[/QUOTE]
Blah. You’re absolutely right. I’ll stop feeding the trolls, on to more important matters!
I think that’s a great idea, a sort of retirement barn on the premises. I can foresee two problems. First, who is going to pay for the horses who are here? Second, what happens when it overflows?
I do to, Lunch?
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Oddly, horselover101 never requested to have her account deleted, but a different poster on this thread with the same IP address did. We’ve switched off the tractor beam for that IP address as well.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.[/QUOTE]
how do you add the laughing icons?
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how do you add the laughing icons?[/QUOTE]
Like this :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
:winkgrin:
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To return to topic, Irakme, I like the idea of a central barn for horses who are available. Wouldn’t it be nice for both trainers and non-race buyers if there was one central location where you could go and look at horses.[/QUOTE]
It would be nice, especially if there was a CANTER (or other organizations) person to contact that was able to bring people through and show these horses… but as Coral brought up it is most def. a work in process and overflow and cash amounts would be an honest issue…
If the Track were to put to use a portion of the purse funds set aside and use it to directly fund that barn it could cut costs… but other than using the funding from some of those non profits to help maintain, I am about stumped…
I guess another issue is what happens when the track closes for the year…
Any other ideas out there?? who knows… maybe if we all brainstorm about this and hook it through the right people we could get some ideas planted!
Well, I don’t think a small percentage of the purse is too much to ask, but I’m not sure it will be enough money at some of the smaller tracks, and arguably they are they ones in the most need of something like this.
Running it with a non-profit organization might be a viable option, and might even give the tracks or trainers some kind of tax benefit (I don’t really know about that part, just speculation on my part). If they have a network of foster homes already they don’t have to worry about overflow so much.
Jessica,
Just wanted to say thank you for your generousity of taking Chris’s horses and the lost dog.
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Well, I don’t think a small percentage of the purse is too much to ask, but I’m not sure it will be enough money at some of the smaller tracks, and arguably they are they ones in the most need of something like this.
Running it with a non-profit organization might be a viable option, and might even give the tracks or trainers some kind of tax benefit (I don’t really know about that part, just speculation on my part). If they have a network of foster homes already they don’t have to worry about overflow so much.[/QUOTE]
Suffolk Downs does have Canter and the TRF working with us. I believe we have 6 going to the TRF soon and Canter is here every Saturday. We have a candy jar in the office requesting donations and both organizations run raffles and such. A good portion of the owners/trainers will give donations when they have horses go to the TRF. There are always those few though. On a side note, we have Jerry Bailey coming here soon for a meeting with the horsemen, very exciting, but when I asked what for, I was told I would have to be killed after telling me. I’ll let you know after the meeting.
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Jessica,
Just wanted to say thank you for your generousity of taking Chris’s horses and the lost dog.
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Anytime Lorita has had me on speed dial this year! :lol:
Digger and Sara are settling in really well - they have a date with the farrier tomorrow (Digger’s feet are reaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyy long). Both very sweet horses - and other then the feet they are in great shape! Chris obviously took very good care of them.
Maddie (the dog) is losing weight every day, and is getting more and more energetic - she really fit in as soon as she arrived - it’s been a pleasure having her around :yes:
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Suffolk Downs does have Canter and the TRF working with us. I believe we have 6 going to the TRF soon and Canter is here every Saturday. We have a candy jar in the office requesting donations and both organizations run raffles and such. A good portion of the owners/trainers will give donations when they have horses go to the TRF. There are always those few though. On a side note, we have Jerry Bailey coming here soon for a meeting with the horsemen, very exciting, but when I asked what for, I was told I would have to be killed after telling me. I’ll let you know after the meeting.[/QUOTE]
Ooo you better spill the beans after he comes in!!
That is fantastic that CANTER and TRF are working so closely with Suffolk, I hope that CANTER MI steps up to the plate and works with Jim and Lisa Campbell when Pinnacle starts allowing horses to move in. And you are right Coral that a % of a purse at a small track would be pretty much pennies to the needs, but hey pennies add up to at least a little bit. Our economy isn’t that fantastic up here but I know at least a few barns that would probably be receptive in taking in some of the ‘overflow’. There are also a few H/J trainers that have been trying to get in with a few trainers to take their ‘rejects’ and resale, I know Reid Gross uses a friend of mine, and he gets paid when the horse sells and she assumes the costs… Gets them off the track, and into a program at least (of course these are the serviceably sound horses).
( on a side note i think CANTER had a booth at the Michigan sire stakes last year, but i didn’t see them walking around, just sitting at a booth near the front door… )
The problem is as soon as you start taking away from purses, it makes it that much harder for horses to be profitable and that many more horses become in danger. Especially, like Coral points out - at the smaller tracks where purses are already weak and the horses in the most need.
I like the idea of running it as a charity much better. Perhaps a voluntary program where those having a good year could donate with some tax benefits.
Congratulations to Suffolk Downs on their decision. Many of the ideas being discussed have great merit. The Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program considered many of them during its inception.
Finger Lakes takes $1 off of each race entry for the Adoption Program. So, the purses are not being cut into. Beyond that, they rely on donations and grants. We do have a brand new barn on the grounds and it is working out well.
The only trouble you run into is that there are always going to be a finite number of stalls, and beyond that capacity, the trainers have to put their horses on a waiting list. They often don’t have the resources to hold on to their horses until they can get into the program.
The Trainer Sales Listings help take some of the overflow. Between the two branches, we are placing a substantial number of horses in second careers.
It is possible for track administration, trainers and owners to work together to get these horses placed. That is one of the most important things necessary to make the program a success. I am looking forward to seeing Suffolk Downs create another successful program.
What about having 1 percent of a claimed horse could go in to help home our TBs?
If a horse got claimed for $5000.00 the person that lost the horse would get $4950.00 instead of $5000.00. Seems like a small price to pay to help place them.
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The problem is as soon as you start taking away from purses, it makes it that much harder for horses to be profitable and that many more horses become in danger. Especially, like Coral points out - at the smaller tracks where purses are already weak and the horses in the most need.
I like the idea of running it as a charity much better. Perhaps a voluntary program where those having a good year could donate with some tax benefits.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I’m not sure I like the idea of ‘taxing’ purses either, but it’s really the only idea out there. Again it’s not so bad for a huge, famous track with lots of money and larger purses but the smaller ones that are going to suffer. There is already a very fine line between a horse that makes money and one who doesn’t at some of these places. I would say I support the idea of a portion of the entry fees but really that’s just the same problem with a different wrapping. Now you’re hurting the track and some of them are really just barely scraping by. It’s a difficult problem for sure. Even a non-profit scenario has its problems, they have hard times when they can’t get donations and can’t place any horses.
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Finger Lakes takes $1 off of each race entry for the Adoption Program. So, the purses are not being cut into. Beyond that, they rely on donations and grants. [/QUOTE]
How does that work? Does FL the track pay $1 every time a horse is entered? Or is it the number of starters per race?
I agree w/ Coral again, though - taking money away from the track is a burden most don’t need.
What would be nice is if in slots states an additional percentage - beyond what small amount the horsemen already get - of slots money could go to fund the retirment barn. I know that’s probably not going to happen.
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slots money could go to fund the retirment barn. I know that’s probably not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
Ahh but its nice to dream Fox!! Am i right?!
