Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

[QUOTE=Bluey;6956080]
Just saying, the HSUS is right now holding abuse videos, they have promised to be releasing one a month, in their drive to eliminate all uses of animals.

I think they did just the same with the BL videos waiting, not “to build a case”, but to get all their ducks in a row to benefit their anti-animal use agenda best, not to stop abuse.
Did some of the BL abuse videos they provided are a year old?

That should not be right in ANYONE’s book that really cares for animals.:no:

Glad that this is being addressed, that is true, but that doesn’t mean we ought to give those that are doing wrong while addressing this a pass.:([/QUOTE]

What a shame to be so incredibly paranoid. And paranoia is insidious.

No one is giving HSUS a “pass”. Folks here are just damn glad the issue was finally brought in front of the public. Doesn’t matter WHO did it.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6956089]
What a shame to be so incredibly paranoid. And paranoia is insidious.

No one is giving HSUS a “pass”. Folks here are just damn glad the issue was finally brought in front of the public. Doesn’t matter WHO did it.[/QUOTE]

It helps if you get involved with the HSUS on a local level. They CAN do good things. No need to be paranoid.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2013-04-23

What is the Object of the Exercise?

If it’s to stop the abuse soonest then the 24 hour rule is a Good Thing. It puts authorities on notice and, if they don’t act, then they get to explain why to the cameras, microphones, etc.

If it’s to build a case for prosecution then the 24 hour rule is questionable. It can take time to build a case for prosecution. Of course, while the case is building the pain for the horse is unremitted. That’s a fact that the opponents seem to be willing to ignore.

In the McConnell matter HSUS had that video for long time. The public snippets show horrific images; I wonder what the rest of the raw video shows?

Frankly, “altered evidence” by proponents of a position is not so uncommon. That’s why the Rules of Evidence anywhere that I’m aware of are quite specific about laying a proper foundation before it’s admitted and presented to a fact finder. A requirement that the video or photo evidence presented to the authorities meet at least a minimum standard for admission into evidence is a Good Thing. I’ve worked as a volunteer in our local DA’s office for almost 20 years and false charges with trumped up “proof” are part and parcel of the job. Indeed, since I’m at the bottom of the ladder, I’m one of the people who do some of the “digging” when questionable stuff is presented.

The biggest problems come from prosecutors*, police officers or private citizens, with “an ax to grind.” I have been personally involved with multiple instances of out and out perjury by both types of prosecutors.

So this proposed “time limit law” has both positive and negative aspects. To call it a “gag law” is a gross, intentional distortion of fact. Shame on those who engage in such tactics. Fair minded people don’t engage in such tactics. When they do we can conclude that they are not fair minded but rather are zealots intent on a goal without regard to the damage they might do while achieving their goal.

As a personal aside, I don’t care if the whole cast of the Grand Ole Oprey shows up in the Governors office. They’ve got a right to an opinion like anyone else. That can sing and sell records does not make their opinion any more valid. Ditto for Hollyweird celebrities.

G.

*In TN the word “prosecutor” can mean an officer or civilian making a criminal charge. In some places they are called “complaining witnesses” or the like. They may also be the victim of a crime, but need not be.

I don’t find this a bad thing if it opens non-horsey eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlKaE82Ls4A

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2013/04/tenn-tv-ad-urges-gov-veto-ag-gag-bill-042213.html

[QUOTE=CFFarm;6956133]
I don’t find this a bad thing if it opens non-horsey eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlKaE82Ls4A

http://www.humanesociety.org/news/press_releases/2013/04/tenn-tv-ad-urges-gov-veto-ag-gag-bill-042213.html[/QUOTE]

Right, until they come after you just for being an “animal user”, as they did the circus, with their bogus abuse card, that the circus went to court over and yes, the HSUS had paid $140,000 to someone to lay about the animals there being abused.:eek:

That is when the HSUS was caught, but who knows how many other times they are not?

Try to keep your eye on the ball.
When it comes to animal rights extremists is not being paranoid to think there is more than meets the eye in what they do, see previous paragraphs.
Some times, if you are paranoid or not, they really are after you.
The HSUS is after ALL our uses of animals.
Their “help” here just one more place for them to complain about humans being abusers, as they were here, with reason this time, maybe not when they come after what you do with your horses.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6956161]
Right, until they come after you just for being an “animal user”, as they did the circus, with their bogus abuse card, that the circus went to court over and yes, the HSUS had paid $140,000 to someone to lay about the animals there being abused.:eek:

That is when the HSUS was caught, but who knows how many other times they are not?

Try to keep your eye on the ball.
When it comes to animal rights extremists is not being paranoid to think there is more than meets the eye in what they do, see previous paragraphs.
Some times, if you are paranoid or not, they really are after you.
The HSUS is after ALL our uses of animals.
Their “help” here just one more place for them to complain about humans being abusers, as they were here, with reason this time, maybe not when they come after what you do with your horses.[/QUOTE]

I think you need to get out more often :).

In the real world, extremists of any kind do not win. If HSUS plans to take away all our animals, it will only happen to the poor and uneducated, who are used to being downtrodden. The intelligent, self sufficient, educated people will laugh out loud right in their faces.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6956167]
I think you need to get out more often :).

In the real world, extremists of any kind do not win. If HSUS plans to take away all our animals, it will only happen to the poor and uneducated, who are used to being downtrodden. The intelligent, self sufficient, educated people will laugh out loud right in their faces.[/QUOTE]

My AG teacher has a name for those extremists. He calls them the “God Save The Cockroach” people. :lol:

But anyways, you’re completely right.

National attention for the TWH and the Ag-Gag issues. WooHoo

http://www.ellentv.com/2013/04/24/share-this-video-to-help-animals/

its on National TV,im doin the Happy Dance.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;6956114]
What is the Object of the Exercise?

If it’s to stop the abuse soonest then the 24 hour rule is a Good Thing. It puts authorities on notice and, if they don’t act, then they get to explain why to the cameras, microphones, etc.

If it’s to build a case for prosecution then the 24 hour rule is questionable. It can take time to build a case for prosecution. Of course, while the case is building the pain for the horse is unremitted. That’s a fact that the opponents seem to be willing to ignore.

In the McConnell matter HSUS had that video for long time. The public snippets show horrific images; I wonder what the rest of the raw video shows?

Frankly, “altered evidence” by proponents of a position is not so uncommon. That’s why the Rules of Evidence anywhere that I’m aware of are quite specific about laying a proper foundation before it’s admitted and presented to a fact finder. A requirement that the video or photo evidence presented to the authorities meet at least a minimum standard for admission into evidence is a Good Thing. I’ve worked as a volunteer in our local DA’s office for almost 20 years and false charges with trumped up “proof” are part and parcel of the job. Indeed, since I’m at the bottom of the ladder, I’m one of the people who do some of the “digging” when questionable stuff is presented.

The biggest problems come from prosecutors*, police officers or private citizens, with “an ax to grind.” I have been personally involved with multiple instances of out and out perjury by both types of prosecutors.

So this proposed “time limit law” has both positive and negative aspects. To call it a “gag law” is a gross, intentional distortion of fact. Shame on those who engage in such tactics. Fair minded people don’t engage in such tactics. When they do we can conclude that they are not fair minded but rather are zealots intent on a goal without regard to the damage they might do while achieving their goal.

As a personal aside, I don’t care if the whole cast of the Grand Ole Oprey shows up in the Governors office. They’ve got a right to an opinion like anyone else. That can sing and sell records does not make their opinion any more valid. Ditto for Hollyweird celebrities.

G.

*In TN the word “prosecutor” can mean an officer or civilian making a criminal charge. In some places they are called “complaining witnesses” or the like. They may also be the victim of a crime, but need not be.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for this post!

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6956269]
National attention for the TWH and the Ag-Gag issues. WooHoo

http://www.ellentv.com/2013/04/24/share-this-video-to-help-animals/[/QUOTE]

Yep! Yep! Yep!

Totally agree with Ellen.

[QUOTE=Dispatcher;6956167]
I think you need to get out more often :).

In the real world, extremists of any kind do not win. If HSUS plans to take away all our animals, it will only happen to the poor and uneducated, who are used to being downtrodden. The intelligent, self sufficient, educated people will laugh out loud right in their faces.[/QUOTE]

Extremists DO win. Islam. Communism. And when the extremists make the laws, you don’t have the option of “laughing out loud right in their faces.”

They may win the battle but they rarely if ever win the war.

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6956989]
They may win the battle but they rarely if ever win the war.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but it took how many years and how many millions of lives and billions of dollars to win some of those wars? It is not better to avoid the war in the first instance?

G.

[QUOTE=Guilherme;6956114]
What is the Object of the Exercise?

If it’s to stop the abuse soonest then the 24 hour rule is a Good Thing. It puts authorities on notice and, if they don’t act, then they get to explain why to the cameras, microphones, etc.

If it’s to build a case for prosecution then the 24 hour rule is questionable. It can take time to build a case for prosecution. Of course, while the case is building the pain for the horse is unremitted. That’s a fact that the opponents seem to be willing to ignore.

In the McConnell matter HSUS had that video for long time. The public snippets show horrific images; I wonder what the rest of the raw video shows?

Frankly, “altered evidence” by proponents of a position is not so uncommon. That’s why the Rules of Evidence anywhere that I’m aware of are quite specific about laying a proper foundation before it’s admitted and presented to a fact finder. A requirement that the video or photo evidence presented to the authorities meet at least a minimum standard for admission into evidence is a Good Thing. I’ve worked as a volunteer in our local DA’s office for almost 20 years and false charges with trumped up “proof” are part and parcel of the job. Indeed, since I’m at the bottom of the ladder, I’m one of the people who do some of the “digging” when questionable stuff is presented.

The biggest problems come from prosecutors*, police officers or private citizens, with “an ax to grind.” I have been personally involved with multiple instances of out and out perjury by both types of prosecutors.

So this proposed “time limit law” has both positive and negative aspects. To call it a “gag law” is a gross, intentional distortion of fact. Shame on those who engage in such tactics. Fair minded people don’t engage in such tactics. When they do we can conclude that they are not fair minded but rather are zealots intent on a goal without regard to the damage they might do while achieving their goal.

As a personal aside, I don’t care if the whole cast of the Grand Ole Oprey shows up in the Governors office. They’ve got a right to an opinion like anyone else. That can sing and sell records does not make their opinion any more valid. Ditto for Hollyweird celebrities.

G.

*In TN the word “prosecutor” can mean an officer or civilian making a criminal charge. In some places they are called “complaining witnesses” or the like. They may also be the victim of a crime, but need not be.[/QUOTE]

If you think for one second those that author and support these types of bills are not zealots in their own right, you have not been paying attention to current events. If this bill is fair and just, why are the creepy people behind it? Hell I wouldn’t even necessarily need to read it, if the BL people are in support I know who it helps.

Where is the republican outrage that government is too big etc.? Rhetorical…

[QUOTE=sunridge1;6957019]
If you think for one second those that author and support these types of bills are not zealots in their own right, you have not been paying attention to current events. If this bill is fair and just, why are the creepy people behind it? Hell I wouldn’t even necessarily need to read it, if the BL people are in support I know who it helps.

Where is the republican outrage that government is too big etc.? Rhetorical…[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Ahem, you can’t get any creepier than animal rights extremists::eek:

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510

:dead:

[QUOTE=Bluey;6957053]
:lol:

Ahem, you can’t get any creepier than animal rights extremists::eek:

http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=6510

:dead:[/QUOTE]

I read that and was sickened! That guy isn’t who he says he is and claims to be. I could barely sit through reading that whole blog post.

[QUOTE=MonterStables;6957069]
I read that and was sickened! That guy isn’t who he says he is and claims to be. I could barely sit through reading that whole blog post.[/QUOTE]

All sides have their good and less than good people.

BUT, which side has generally more honest people, that I think I know who that is.

[QUOTE=Bluey;6957076]
All sides have their good and less than good people.

BUT, which side has generally more honest people, that I think I know who that is.[/QUOTE]

And I know for sure which side is the wrong side just from reading that.:eek:

Then there is the totally radical approach of judging a thing on its merits. It may require independent research and rarely results in pat answers, but instead of aligning with a person or group, think about the proposal in detail, its implications both good and bad in the real world, and make a reasoned, educated and logical decision.

If both liberals and conservatives would at least try to do this, I’d sleep much better.