Tennessee Walking Horse Soring Issue *Update post 1*

[clbailey54]

You would think that as many “dislikes” a person receives on his videos would be an indication of how many of us currently dislike abusive TW practices. BUT this guy fights over every response in hopes of justifying his position. It makes me feel good that some of us are “under his skin”. I hate the “Big Lick” oops I mean the “Big YucK” and am opposed to the shoeing, the soring, and anything that makes these horses look like abnormal cartoon characters so their owners can get a few bucks or a ribbon. Poor souls!!

Celebration video TW
http://youtu.be/ZH-X6nu5grI

[asb2517]

@Char;6370223

Not knowing just what your involvement with the TWH might be, I really don’t want to overload you with information, much of which you would not understand unless you actively participate in rail competition horse shows. I did talk to Annette in the registration office at the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders’ and Exhibitonrs’ Association and discovered you live in Bay Springs, MS.

I love how she basically called you an idiot…and when did you move to MS???

[aarpaso]

the stable @ 1803 hwy 64 w Shelbyville Tn. is listed on the tax roll of Bedford Cty belonging to Floyd and Beverly Towne Sherman of Dallas Tx.,now these two have HPA violations all the way back to 1989,trainer none other than Jackie the Jerk. horses: Executive Order and A Mark for Me. just to name two.

another fellow who worked for the Jerk is None other than Dr.Mark Akin DVM of Maryland i believe.

[bayou_bengal]

[QUOTE=Guilherme;6372100]
The more things stay the same, the more things…stay the same.

For us who are long in the tooth on all this it’s deja vu all over again. The Sore Lickers are hunkered down and their appologists are fawning at the feet of the outraged, insisting that “all is well.”

It’s not.

G.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this assement of the situation 100% This is what has been happening over and over again for going on 60 years.

[BabyGreen]

There was a Mark Akin, DVM, in Memphis. Sold his practice to his employees and now practices out of Tupelo. One of his ex-employees is my horses vet.

[aarpaso]

what ya bet your Vet can tell ya a few stories.

i asked my Vet about soring, they do not treat at farms that are BL,no coggins or health records, will go in an emergency colic ect. i gave out a name they flat out told me NO service to that farm.i asked do you feel that the practice BL is harmful the answer was yes. but there are Vets that are in it for the $$,coggins test 25 bucks yrly shot another 50.00 farm call 55 to 75 bucks.you do the math.

my vet says my practice will not work at BL farms period. im keeping my Vet.

[Ambitious_Kate]

[QUOTE=Char;6366294]

[QUOTE=walknsound;6366276]

Ditto.

I recieved more email responses from Mr. Hamilton from PRIDE, and they were none too pretty. I’m now racist, and do not care about child abuse, nor abuse in other horse breeds and industry, and I only care about picking on TWH.

sigh[/QUOTE]
I’m surprised he didn’t remind you that the Nazis killed 10 million people and point out how you don’t care about them, either. (wry grin).

[Ambitious_Kate]

[QUOTE=kathy s.;6366636]
Char,

Why don’t you forward all those emails to Roy Exum (the man writing the columns for the Tennessean). I bet he would have a field day with that! Or have them published in the TWH mags.[/QUOTE]

Also, find out who’s over him and go over his head, with copies of his responses.

I was quite taken by how literate and well informed your letter was. You supported your points with facts, and it was very very well written. I think your response to this yahoo should be to whoever is responsible for hiring him, or putting him in his position. That person may well be appalled at how he responded to you. Especially considering your connections and concerns about support of the group etc. Add the word “fundraising” or something like that to your desires and possiblitlities, and speak about your influence nationally (coth is national) for support and concern about how the group conducts themselves when you move on up the ladder with your next letter and with forwarding the responses of that turd. He insulted your intelligence and attempted to shame you for speaking your concerns so intelligently! He must be stupid, stupid, stupid. (Remembewr that movie?)

[CFFarm]

Thought I’d add this guy to the list of nice, natural moving, horses. He’s daddy to some of a friend’s foals.

http://www.ivoryknollranch.com/index.html

[aarpaso]

now thats what i like to see clean hooves,with a good stride,beautiful movement.what color

[quietann]

[QUOTE=hurleycane;6367138]
…
Wanted to share I recently spoke with someone very active in the Morgan saddleseat show industry about how they have viewed these TWH events.

SHe knew little to nothing about it.

But she did go on to say that the Morgan saddleseat folks are really becoming more permissive with the use of action devices, tail sets, gingerng, house slippers, stretchies chains, built up shoes, etc., etc. Stating that only the “classic” Morgan type classes are sticking with the old rules that used to forbid these action devices for all Morgans.

Slippery slope was my comment.
…[/QUOTE]

Last week’s electronic newsletter from the AMHA had something noting that with all the attention the BL issue is getting, USDA inspectors are likely to start showing up at any saddleseat events, and that Morgan exhibitors should “be prepared.” I am not too comfortable with what that probably means.

Even in the Morgan Hunter Pleasure classes, long toes and padded/heavy shoes are becoming the norm… and it’s starting to trickle into Morgan Western Pleasure, too :eek::eek: The saddleseat divisions are tiny and getting tinier because you basically can’t compete without some heavy-duty training and “aiding”… which costs serious money, and is morally questionable to a lot of horse owners.

OTOH this entry in a Morgan show blog encourages Morgan people to lead the way in more humane showing by immediately banning ginger and tail-nicking.

I hope the latter view prevails.

[walknsound]

Wow!!!

[QUOTE=WalkinAfterMidnight;6372347]
W B Johnson Properties Llc filed for chapter 7 on May 1, 2012.

Karma anyone?[/QUOTE]

You have no idea how that made my day!!! YES!!!:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

[walknsound]

http://news.yahoo.com/major-veterinary-groups-call-ban-action-devices-performance-150008032.html

Finally!

[rmh_rider]

This is for the state of IL, if I read this correctly, or was it just published in IL?

The padding should be outlawed on all of earth. Period!

Who is WB Johnson Properties?

OHHHH post 1348 says it. WOW. Cool. Good. They are a huge driver in “da industry”.

[Char]

[QUOTE=asb2517;6372690]
I love how she basically called you an idiot…and when did you move to MS???[/QUOTE]

I haven’t, and I told as much when I replied to her email. :lol:

[bayou_bengal]

“Major Veterinary Groups Call for Ban on Action Devices, Performance Packages in Tennessee Walking Horse Industry”

This is the headline of the story linked above in post #1363 by walknsound.

This headline says it all-- FINALLY.

Two major US vet associations have come out calling for the very thing I have been wanting to happen ever since I saw my first “built-up and chained” TWH.

It is past time for this abuse to end— WAY past time.

[foggybok]

[QUOTE=bayou_bengal;6376922]
“Major Veterinary Groups Call for Ban on Action Devices, Performance Packages in Tennessee Walking Horse Industry”

This is the headline of the story linked above in post #1363 by walknsound.

This headline says it all-- FINALLY.

Two major US vet associations have come out calling for the very thing I have been wanting to happen ever since I saw my first “built-up and chained” TWH.

It is past time for this abuse to end— WAY past time.[/QUOTE]

Should have checked this post before posting, but I think the news is big enough to start it’s own thread! Yeah for the AVMA and AAEP!

[aarpaso]

the AVMA AAEP,believe the action devices and performance Pack are used in the inhuman practice of SORING. they are asking the usda, aphis to OUT LAW action devices and performance packs. if i read it right

the President of one of these groups is from Ill.

these Groups are asking that these devices and packs be included in the HPA law or have i missed something.im so happy i could do the happy dance.

i’m sending a copy to my Sen/ Rep

hey Char going to send a copy to Hamilton

[walknsound]

[QUOTE=WalkInTheWoods;6372228]
Well, we followed the money back to owners and breeders (who are all entangled on BOD lists of the various HIOs and judges also) who will not be influenced by public outrage. CFF Farm posted a while back inquiring if there was a list of owners so we could appeal to them. I think we should boycott whatever businesses the owners are in. Years ago i remember a link to the Marriot Hotels. And all those Ritz horses… someone from Ritz Carlton owns BL horses. I bet many of the owners have businesses that are national in scope - not just local. What if we hit the FB pages of the big companies ? and emailed headquarters ? I dont know how to find out what business these fatcat owners and breeders are in. Any suggestions ?[/QUOTE]

Found out today WB Johnson Enterprises owns Holiday Inn franchises too.

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=walknsound;6376816]
http://news.yahoo.com/major-veterinary-groups-call-ban-action-devices-performance-150008032.html

Finally![/QUOTE]

YAY!!!