(I realize he doesn’t read COTH…but…)
Ryan, et al…
I think both stories can be true…there is video of them being instructed/motioned to get out of the car and one swimmer keeps putting his hands up then video of them on the curb with hands up. So why would you have your hands up unless someone has a gun pointed at you? So I am guessing they went out…drank… left the taxi at the gas station as they had full bladders …maybe could not wait and did something to the bathroom door…thought they were just going to leave…got instructed to get out of car and turned over !money w gun pointed at them. Otherwise I don’t know why hands would be going up. So maybe he didn’t really lie he just did not tell whole story.
But the bigger story may be if they get their medals stripped…how many did Phelps get for relays?
[QUOTE=Crockpot;8804559]
I heard some guy today - was it the coach maybe- saying- oh the boys were having a bit of fun give them a break.
THese BOYs treated the host country like sh&t and should be called out for it.
and yes if they lied to the authorites- nothing wrong with pulling them off the the plane to answer to it.
:eek:
quite right. you would expect the same if the situation were reversed and brazilian athletes lied to US authorities.
Right or is it somehow different :no:
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IMO believe it was an IOC spokesperson.
Lochte at 32 is hardly a boy, except in how he acts.
The police have admitted that the earlier police statement that no guns were involved was false and that 2 security guards pointed guns at the swimmers. The security footage clearly looks like they were being detained by armed officials. If the US swimmers were telling the truth about the shakedown and the guns, and only lied about their own behavior which led to the whole incident, I don’t think you can turn a misdemeanor (public urination/destruciton of property) into a felony (lying to the cops) because the suspect refuses to admit it. That would turn every misdemeanor that’s not plead into a felony.
Nc rider I agree with you…and i do see now they are admitting guns were pulled out.
I read that the security guard(s?) pulled gun because there were four large drunk men acting up and one of whom wouldn’t sit down when ordered to by said security guard.
They would have gotten off quite easily and been lucky if they hadn’t been so stupid as to file police report that was effectively a lie and therefore a crime. IMO, they are an embarrassment to the US team at the very least.
[QUOTE=Raine;8804668]
(I realize he doesn’t read COTH…but…)
Ryan, et al…
Hear, hear! :yes:
He may not read COTH, but you could post it on Twitter or his FB page or some other site he frequents. Or on the US team’s pages.
omare, I think Michael Phelps was in only one relay with Ryan Lochte. Lochte wasn’t in the final relay, that was Ryan Held. IIRC.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8804620]
At least in TN making a false statement to the police is a Class D felony. If it’s similar in Brazil then, yes, these bozos should have been pulled off and their passports held until the investigation was complete. And if the evidence shows that Lochte (sp) made false statements then Brazil should request his extradition.
When you visit a foreign land you are legally obligated to follow their laws. If you have moral or ethical problems with that then don’t visit. Young, drunk males don’t always make wise decisions. That does not excuse them from following local laws.
In truth, the locals don’t usually want to saddled with our problems so “arrangements” can often be made. When the damages are paid for and fines and costs paid the host will just expel the youngster(s).
Sweeping this kind of conduct “under the rug” because it “looks bad” just guarantees it will continue into the future.
G.[/QUOTE]
I am not looking at it as whether what these athletes did the right thing or the wrong thing, or even whether or not they are telling the truth. What I am looking at is what was the best PR for Rio, and in this case the best option was to just not make a big deal about it. If they had done this, it would have been a headline for a day or so, then it would have passed by and the articles about how wonderful athletes are doing would take the top headlines again. But because they decided to go after these athletes, now this is a big thing. It will be the headline for days! Just a really bad decision on the part of Rio.
My point is it doesn’t matter what the truth is. In the long run, it won’t matter. But what does matter is bad PR. Rio needs to make tourists remember how wonderful Copacabana beach looked, and how beautiful the scenery looked. Not ‘that time when the Brazilian government held Americans hostage’.
[QUOTE=StormyDay;8804878]
I am not looking at it as whether what these athletes did the right thing or the wrong thing, or even whether or not they are telling the truth. What I am looking at is what was the best PR for Rio, and in this case the best option was to just not make a big deal about it. If they had done this, it would have been a headline for a day or so, then it would have passed by and the articles about how wonderful athletes are doing would take the top headlines again. But because they decided to go after these athletes, now this is a big thing. It will be the headline for days! Just a really bad decision on the part of Rio.
I’ve got a lot of heartburn with the popular notion that if something looks bad the truth or falsehood behind it ought to be ignored. No more need be said on that score.
My point is it doesn’t matter what the truth is. In the long run, it won’t matter. But what does matter is bad PR. Rio needs to make tourists remember how wonderful Copacabana beach looked, and how beautiful the scenery looked. Not ‘that time when the Brazilian government held Americans hostage’.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think that anyone is going to avoid going to Rio and the beach because a bunch of American swimmers got sanctioned for lying to the police? Probably not. They still go even though large numbers of foreigners get robbed every year.
The Brazilians have every right to want to “spank” these members of the Clan Dumbass.
G.
[QUOTE=Guilherme;8804916]
Do you really think that anyone is going to avoid going to Rio and the beach because a bunch of American swimmers got sanctioned for lying to the police? Probably not. They still go even though large numbers of foreigners get robbed every year.
The Brazilians have every right to want to “spank” these members of the Clan Dumbass.
G.[/QUOTE]
Possibly, yeah. Countries don’t hold the olympics out of the goodness of their hearts. They hold them for 1) the tourists and therefore money brought directly from the olympics and 2) Promoting their country as a great place to visit for future tourism.
People could be scared off by this.
Also, I am not arguing whether or not Brazil has the right to prosecute. Just whether or not they should. 
Apples and Oranges
[QUOTE=NCRider;8804687]
The police have admitted that the earlier police statement that no guns were involved was false and that 2 security guards pointed guns at the swimmers. The security footage clearly looks like they were being detained by armed officials. If the US swimmers were telling the truth about the shakedown and the guns, and only lied about their own behavior which led to the whole incident, I don’t think you can turn a misdemeanor (public urination/destruciton of property) into a felony (lying to the cops) because the suspect refuses to admit it. That would turn every misdemeanor that’s not plead into a felony.[/QUOTE]
Public urination may be a misdemeanor but if it goes on your record, in some places you are then registered as a sex offender.
[QUOTE=ladyj79;8804398]
I feel this could all be solved if someone would just punch lochte in the face every day for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE]
Looks like there would be more than a few volunteers!
[QUOTE=Raine;8804643]
Exhibit A - why many people outside the USA think we are jerks.[/QUOTE]
And in Lochte’s case, I want to conclude that jerk = arrogant, entitled dumbass.
What is his history? Anyone want to sum it up in a paragraph?
Just saw this recent post:
This makes it sound like they could have been trying to bribe the security guards. Smart move.
My guess is that right now all of the swimmers and their connections are trying not to anger the Brazilian system any further, so they can get the two swimmers out of the country. They will agree with anything the Brazilians say at this point, regardless of what really happened. Lots of apologies and backpedaling the story are in order - doesn’t matter if it is the truth, or not.
The Brazilians are sounding as if they may be considering making an example out of the two swimmers they stopped from leaving. The way the system works in this country is no indication of how things will go in Brazil.
[QUOTE=KellyS;8803950]
… The truth will come out …[/QUOTE]
I doubt that. 
This has become entirely a political issue with the Brazilians. What really happened, or did not happen, is beside the point. :winkgrin:
Interesting article from the Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/ryan-lochte-a-champion-swimmer-caught-in-a-riptide-of-self-absorption/2016/08/18/673d9bdc-6540-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html?postshare=2941471576023516&tid=ss_fb
Ryan Lochte’s only defense is that his horrible hair dye must have wiped out all his brain cells.
I’ve always thought Lochte was nothing but a dumb jock and this just confirms it.
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