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What is the criteria for a Canadian Sport Horse??? % of TB or WB or just a registry that takes all $$ and applicants??[/QUOTE]
I own a horse who is a registered Canadian horse. All it means is that he was bred in Canada and the breeder sent $$ in to register him. I don’t think that there is a breed, just a registry that any horse born in Canada qualifies for.
It is like an American WB. That is not a breed – it is a registry based on a location
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I own a horse who is a registered Canadian horse. All it means is that he was bred in Canada and the breeder sent $$ in to register him. I don’t think that there is a breed, just a registry that any horse born in Canada qualifies for.
It is like an American WB. That is not a breed – it is a registry based on a location[/QUOTE]
The Cheval Canadien, or the Canadien Horse, is a breed. Here is a website for information about the breed. http://www.lechevalcanadien.ca/breed.htm
the Canadian or Cheval Canadian is a breed similar to the Morgan
Canadian Sport Horse is the modern version of the Canadian Hunter Improvement Society, it inspects and records horses of sport horse type, and maintains a registry of offspring with various books - it is considered a “developing breed”.
Canadian Warmblood is a considered a breed, the inspect and record warmblood type horses and maintain a registry with several books
Can-Am Sport Horse is a private registry where horses produced on NAERIC (“pmu”) farms that are cross breds are recorded, usually tb, quarter horse and draft mixes.
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;7999817]
I own a horse who is a registered Canadian horse. All it means is that he was bred in Canada and the breeder sent $$ in to register him. I don’t think that there is a breed, just a registry that any horse born in Canada qualifies for.
It is like an American WB. That is not a breed – it is a registry based on a location[/QUOTE]
No, not at all.
It is recognized under the Canadian Pedigree act as a horse breed, one of the oldest in Canada. http://www.clrc.ca/canadianhorse.shtml
To be recognized as a breed there are very stringent rules and a huge amount of research to identify the horses in ancestry, they all must be identified and listed. You can’t just say it is a “breed”.
Canadian Warmblood and Sport Horse must also follow those guidelines set out by the Canadian government but the Sport Horse is an “evolving” breed and can include a wider range of types.
None of the above “breeds” only qualify because they are born in Canada. Way off the mark with that post.
I have a now aged mare I bought in Canada years ago. Big strapping horse which despite being 15/16ths TB per her breeder is the image of a Cheval Canadien down to her color, thick mane and movement, so I’ve always thought that was the 1/16th. And it dominated!.
Sweet mare, very huggy but pulls like a train and moves like a Morgan. She was also the lookiest horse I ever rode. I’ve told this story before but she gave the impression of wanting to read. While not afraid of anything, she would stop and stare at any signs we passed when hacking as if she was trying to puzzle out the words. Even when something was spray painted on the roadway, she’d stop and stare at it. When eventing this was a problem when there was a sponsor’s sign on a fence cross country, however, and the cause of many a stop.
There’s a great deal of variation in the Canadian breed. Some are almost as refined as Thoroughbreds; others are quite drafty, like my guy.
My Canadian gelding is a wonderful pet. He’s the smartest horse I’ve ever worked with; he learns things very quickly - both good and bad. He’s extremely gregarious, loves people, and has to be continuously reminded to respect the human’s space.
He’s very sensitive, reactive and responsive. He notices everything, and is easily distracted, but is very responsive to attention, and amenable to correction. He requires an owner who is firm and fair. He would not do well with inconsistent and inexperienced handling.
He has a very good work ethic under saddle and tries hard to please. He’s athletic and forward with nice gaits and a lovely canter. He does not ride like a “draft” at all.
At 16.1 hh, around 1500 pounds, with tons of bone - he’s a really big boy. When he reacts to something he can be a lot of horse, so he’s definitely not for a timid owner.
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;7999817]
I own a horse who is a registered Canadian horse. All it means is that he was bred in Canada and the breeder sent $$ in to register him. I don’t think that there is a breed, just a registry that any horse born in Canada qualifies for.
It is like an American WB. That is not a breed – it is a registry based on a location[/QUOTE]
You really don’t know what you are talking about. Google Canadien horse!!! This is a separate, and OLD breed–just pretty rare. I own one, so I know.
Cheesetoast, make your guy pitch black and that’s what he looks like, just not in shape lol He is registered and I looked up his pedigree.
I have decided to pass on him 
In September he popped both front splints, the one there was barely a little pebble of calcium, in the other its about the size of a nickel and it is 1cm below his knee. A little high for a basic splint issue, but not unheard of.
He has been out to pasture since September, and became very over weight.
The owner was very honest, stated he sometimes “comes up lame” while not in any work.
They are selling as he is on a dude ranch type trail riding place and he wouldn’t be able to hold up to the business part of the day.
In order to get him in shape, he would need to be in regular work and there is no guarantee that he won’t come up lame in this type of work.
Also when I asked what the vet stated about the injury, they admitted that a vet hadn’t actually come out to see him. Another horse was vet confirmed splint injury and he “acted the same” so they assumed it was the same injury.
So I would need to get xrays etc done before purchase just to see what this injury is and if it is going to be affected by work…
Just a bit too much risk and/or what if’s for my gut…and his asking price is a little high for this area with known issues.
But thank you all for the info and insight…I am going to keep looking and maybe contact a few of the breeders around my area…
I have been breeding Canadian Horses for over 15 years. Sold over 75 horses and I have never had any unsatisfied Customer. If you have any questions about the breed feel free to contact me or even better… come to our farm to meet our horses.
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I own a horse who is a registered Canadian horse. All it means is that he was bred in Canada and the breeder sent $$ in to register him. I don’t think that there is a breed, just a registry that any horse born in Canada qualifies for.
It is like an American WB. That is not a breed – it is a registry based on a location[/QUOTE] Totally different animal. Canadian Sport Horses and CWHBA horses (Canadian Warmblood Horse Breeders Association) are two separate registries, both recognized as breeds by the federal government pursuant to the Animal Pedigree Act. They are bred for and aimed at the Olympic disciplines. The Canadian Horse (or Cheval Canadien) is a multi-purpose breed that can be quite drafty (or not) in look, attitude and ability (although I do know of one with a pretty successful dressage career and others with successful driving careers). Much like the Morgan, they were bred and used by farmers to be that all around useful horse, plow the fields M - F and then look smart hitched to wagon to go to church on Sunday.
I own a Canadian Sporthorse filly. (5/8 Hanoverian on papers). My favorite horse that I have owned… to date…but that is another story for another day.
The Canadian Horse is actually a breed. Never owned one but have had contact and know of a few around. The first one I met was at a farm called Ross Farm Museum, a farm run in the style of the early settlers… a working museum of sorts. They had a stallion and a few mares, and I think one young horse. Stallion has similarities to the morgan. Cute, Compact, sturdy type with some feathers. Looked like a morgan draft cross. The mares they owned were butt ugly, common in type. Just observing at pasture. That was the first ones I saw. Was photographing a small horse show and there were two Canadians at that show. Better than the first Canadians I had seen. Both were black and I think that may be one of the more common colors. Gaits were sufficient but not Wow by any means. Family using type horses, not top quality show types.
Another local farm bought a smaller packaged mare for the trainer’s mom to have as her riding horse. Truth be told, I was surprised at what a nice little mare she was. She drives, she rides, she also has been used as an ET mare to carry a foal of a warmblood mare.
So… conclusion based on my limited experience… some are butt ugly, but if selective in finding good stock, they can be rather attractive, sturdy, yet attractive. All of the individuals I have met have been under 16 hands. The fanciest of the lot came from a breeder in southern Quebec.
Serviceable horses suited for all around using horses.
Personally prefer my Canadian Sporthorse mare…but that’s just me.
A friend of mine in the ottawa area has canadians. Their stallion was used in their wedding, and a son of his was shown on the line at the Royal Winter Fair doing very well in Sport Pony.He is currently doing 2nd level dressage I believe. Had a gorgeous jump on him too. All of their Canadians, that I’ve seen have been friendly, willing and quite nice.
I found this abstract at PubMed on the Canadian Horse breed:
Abstract
The Canadian breed of horse invokes a fascinating chapter of North American history and as such it is now a heritage breed and the national horse of Canada. The aims of this study were to determine the level of genetic diversity in the Canadian, investigate the possible foundation breeds and the role it had in the development of the US horse breeds, such as Morgan Horse. We tested a total of 981 horses by using 15 microsatellite markers. We found that Canadian horses have high values of genetic diversity indices and show no evidence of a serious loss of genetic diversity and the inbreeding coefficient was not significantly different from zero. Belgian, Percheron, Breton and Dales Pony, unlike the light French horses, may have common ancestries with the Canadian and could be important founders. However, the Shire and Clydesdale influenced the Canadian to a lesser extent than French and Belgian draft breeds. Furthermore, our finding indicated that there was no evidence of a clear relationship between Canadian and Oriental or Iberian breeds. Also, the Canadian likely contributed to the early development of the Morgan. Finally, these findings support the ancient legends of the Canadian Horse as North America’s first equine breed and the foundation bloodstock to many American breeds and may help in the management and breeding program of this outstanding breed in North America.
It’s called The Legend of the Canadian Horse: Genetic Diversity and Breed Origin
I recently as looking for a horse for a friend in Florida, and found a lovely black Canadien up in Ontario. I went up to try him out, and was blown away by him. He was very smart, sensitive, easy to ride, easier than my PSG horse! He had power, great balance, and was very light to ride. In a small arena, he was able to canter in a teacup and moved nicely off the leg, but came back to you easily. He seemed very sensible and you could feel him asking what you wanted. I absolutely loved him, and if I hadn’t been looking for my friend, I would’ve bought him for myself. Great horse, and he just arrived in Florida and settled in like he had always been there. We are anticipating great things from him. I wish I could find another like him!
I recently as looking for a horse for a friend in Florida, and found a lovely black Canadien up in Ontario. I went up to try him out, and was blown away by him. He as very smart, sensitive, easy to ride, easier than my PSG horse! He had power, great balance, and as very light to ride. In a small arena, he was able to canter in a teacup and moved nicely off the leg. He seemed very sensible and you could feel him asking what you wanted. I absolutely loved him, and if I hadn’t been looking for my friend, I would’ve bought him for myself. Great horse, and he just arrived in Florida and settled in like he had always been there. We are anticipating great things from him. I wish I could find another like him!
His name would not be Tiko by any chance? My friend Audrey just sold a Canadian Horse and he went to Florida… he is beautiful… He seems to be settling well and will probably love the beautiful grass instead of our snow/mud.
Something not mentioned about the origins on the Candian Horse so far as to the origins.
In the 1700’s Quebec was being settled. France acquired horses from the countries they occupied (remember Napoleon). Horses were needed in New France so the French King sent the very best France had acquired. It’s believed the dam of what became the Morgan horse was a French Canadian.
Canadians were bred to be a general purpose farm horse. Are any familiar with the Cornelius Kreighof painting “Running the Toll Gate” there is a good representation of the type as it was developing into the breed.
They have a very interesting and historically significant history.
Audrey just confirmed it is Tiko!!! I am so happy for her, for your friend and for Tiko… he won the lottery!!
Would you mind letting us know about his pedigree?
Which lines is he from?
I have the book by Lawrence Scanlan : “Little Horse of Iron - A Quest for the Canadian Horse”. le petit cheval de fer.
There is a lot of mis-information on this thread - I would suggest you speak to breeders or people who have owned the horses.
The Canadian horse is Canada’s heritage breed. The ancestors were a gift to New France (Quebec) in the mid seventeenth century from King Louis XIV.
A versatile breed with stamina and soundness, used for logging and riding.
An attempt is being made to increase their numbers but as a short, stocky horse it loses out to the fancy warmbloods of today.
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