The Cross Pollination of Human and Vet Meds: a saga

[cayuse]

Oh I forgot about that blasted stuff

[RMJacobs]

My pony and I were on levothyroxine together. He didn’t seem to see it as a bonding opportunity.

[Simkie]

@Kimstar

You can get Voltaren double strength here in Canada. I don’t know if it’s available in the US.
The sport medicine vets up here tell you to just go buy Voltaren rather than prescribe Surpass.

I’ve had a few vets cite actual research that apparently demonstrates people voltaren isn’t useful on equines. It’s not the amount of drug; something to do with the carrier and it’s ability or inability to get the drug through the skin.

I dunno, I haven’t ever gone to look it up.

Personally, I prefer the Surpass cream base vs the gel of Voltaren gel.

[colorfan]

I was just going to ask, trying not to open up a rabbit trail, someone I know took Ivermectin regularly for a while, now has stomach issues, and arthritis, possible side effects?

[glitterless]

Pentoxifylline?

[hey101]

@enjoytheride

I recently came across a post of someone’s parent with stage 4 cancer in the brain. They were advised by people with a Google MD to take Ivermectin along with fenbendazole, and cut out carbs and mushrooms

Yeah, there is an N of 1 floating out there of a guy with SCLC who took fenbendazole along with (IIRC) cannabis oil and some other things. BUT, he was also enrolled in a clinical trial for Keytruda immunotherapy. So a completely uncontrolled clinical assessment.

It’s compelling, for sure but still only one person. I remember reading the results and not one other person out of maybe 1500 people showed complete regression. Maybe delay of inevitable death. I’m not a PK scientist so I have no idea how an anthelmintic could have an appropriate mechanism of action on cancer, but, well, there are more things in heaven and earth and all of that. If one of my loved ones get diagnosed with lung cancer you better believe I’m going to at least try that protocol, clinical trial restrictions be damned.

[hey101]

IDK. Ivermectin is indicated as a one time treatment for parasitic infection. I of course, saw all the stuff over the Covid pandemic where people were self treating with it. I don’t have any information on what regular consumption of ivermectin would do to the G.I. tract or anything like that. My personal opinion is it’s not a good idea.

[Paint_Party]

@chestnutmarebeware

I can personally attest that SMZs at one capsule per 100# (just like for my horses) work great when I need an antibiotic in a pinch (at a waaaaaay lower price!)

Sinus infection? Head for that quart sized bottle of SMZs in the tack room.

[quietann]

They’re still using SMZs for UTIs. It Does. Not. Work. for me but the doctors always say they have to prescribe it first because it’s so cheap!

[2DogsFarm]

Maybe?
It was over 30yrs ago.

[Simkie]

Bet it was isoxsuprine! Used to be used ALL the time, but don’t really see it any more.

[DiamondJubilee]

I have worked at a compounding veterinary pharmacy in Canada for the past 22 years where we compound 2500 to 3000 rx’s a day (I’m also a dual certified pharmacy technician in the US and Canada though this certification is now invalid as you must be registered in Canada - a 4 year schooling now, which I started to get). I create master formulas for all of our medications and have always been interested in what they are prescribed for, and surprisingly (or maybe not really surprisingly) they are treating the same disease across the board.

I had to take a pharmacology course when I started to go for my registration, which is a human course (since there is no such thing as a registered vet pharmacy student) - is for long term care, hospitals or pharmacy setting, and it was amazing to see 95% of the medications for humans are what are prescribed at our vet pharmacy for the past 22 years to do the same thing for many different species, whether it be for a whale, lion, horse, dog, cat or human.

[DiamondJubilee]

In Canada, we can’t source isoxsuprine anymore. The API is impossible to get. We used to make this quite often but have been unable to source it for many years now.

[2DogsFarm]

YES!
Thanks for the Memorypoke
Now, if only I could recall why TB needed it

[Simkie]

It was often prescribed for navicular syndrome! (I think the more current research says it does diddly though.)

[2DogsFarm]

No navicular symptoms my TB’s case.
Possibly related to recovery from an abcess?

[FjordBCRF]

@Simkie

And I’ve certainly gotten…looks…filling my horse’s gabapentin script at the people pharmacy.

Three months of minocycline for my guy ~1200 pills. When I went to go pick up his first month, the girl at CVS goes, “I remember when that call came in” very deadpan

[HeartsDesireEventing]

It was also prescribed for thin soles - it was supposed to increase bloodflow and help them grow more sole.

[2DogsFarm]

Another Nope.
I Evented him (schooled to Training) barefoot.

[2DogsFarm]

When I worked for Visiting Nurses, I had a vet fax me TB"s labs once.
Nurse who brought me the fax was very concerned about some of the levels, until I explained they were for my horse