We have a plethora of 25 pound solid caramel colored long snouted short hairs. Beagle? Lab? Dingo? LOL
Y get the four “new” fosters their rabies cert, I wrote their estimated breeds on the paperwork and was surprised when I got the certs and one of them was “Newfoundland” and the other three were Pitbulls. Ok, but he’s not a newfie, and only 1 of the other 3 was definite a PB. He was a stray dog picked up off the side of the road and when we did a Wisdom panel, we got everything but Newfie - IIRC, his percentages were something along the lines of 60% too mixed to tell, 10% Husky 10% Akita 20% GSD. I think he is 100% a bonafide mutt – meaning, I don’t think he has any recent purebred ancestry at all.
A picture of the “newfoundland” - IME he is big and black and that’s where the similarities end - he’s actually mostly brown, has weird mottled brown legs, and is terrified of water. Hardly anyone’s idea of a newfie:
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So do vets decide their breed based on their phenotype even if that breed is, percentage-wise, the least prevalent? I get that – you gotta be able to ID a dog and if someone says it’s a Dalmation x and it’s black, that’s not very useful for the dog’s purpose of identification.
The other dog that was labled “Pitbull” despite me knowing his pedigree (as I picked him up from a bad situation with a BYB that was breeding tamaskan x)… I put down his information as Tamaskan X because percentage wise, he is 50% Tamaskan, 25% PB, and 25% something else - dam was purebred Tamaskan and the dad was half PB, half something else. Which means, from a “blood” percentage, he is 75% NOT pit-bull. I mean, he kind of looks like a PB but to me, that’s like calling a Holsteiner a TB just because it has 70% TB blood - it’s not a TB anymore than it’s a chicken - it’s a Holsteiner.
Here’s the 75% not-PB:
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I accepted that they wanted to call him a PB, fine, I don’t really care – but if we’re going to be correct here, only one was a PB.
Btw, here was the 3rd dog labeled a PB:
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idk, if she got lost and we had to describe her as a PB I don’t think anyone would look at her and think she was a PB.
Wow, wolfdog/pit mixes - that’s right up there with the Florida orchard owner who decided the ultimate guard dog was Malinois/American Bulldogs. Showing the same sort of stunning intelligence and discernment as their owner, they attacked and killed an employee instead of an intruder. Oops! There is a weird link between wolf hybrid breeding and pit breeding - Tamara Nutjob, the TV pit flipper, was originally into wolfdogs, and the brief spate of protest over the mostly wholesale outlawing of the wolf hybrids contains a lot of early pit bull defense rhetoric - you can’t blame the breed, it’s always the damned brat’s fault, judge individuals, doggie racism, etc. It must be the LARPing aspect of pit/wolf ownership, where dumpy little nothings get to cloak themselves as Direwolf Mistress and Suckler Of Tortured Pibble. Not directed at beowulf, btw, just a general slander on the whacky owners in general.
As to the completely batshit idea of breeding mini pits, that seems pointless. We already HAVE several bulldog breeds and bulldog-like breeds which were deliberately created to miniaturize bulldog-type dogs and render them mostly harmless through crippling their legs, backs and faces. Why spend $75k on a mini pit when you could spend, what, $3k on a Frenchie? More to the point, why is it that of all the people who think they need to create a new pit breed, NOBODY ever seems to think “Maybe, if we took out this superflous dog-aggression trait, we could skip all the tinkering with their propellers and choppers and we’d have normal, healthy dogs, though possibly with slightly less gaping jaws.”? And don’t even try to sell me on the American Bullys - they talk temperament, but they clearly went with crippling as their first, second and third ways to reduce aggression.
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I’m still on board with charging a whole bunch of entire breed clubs with animal cruelty. British Bulldog first, Pug second. YMMV.
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I’m on board with that.
Meh. Same as when that Hulk dog was touted around as the “world’s biggest Pit Bull” (fat Dogue de Bordeaux cross), or when the stupid concept of “American Bully” was created and marketed. That dog has nothing to do with the original (ADBA) standard, it’s an unhealthy Frenchie mix with a trainwreck conformation. Just look at the kinked tail, the horrible steep stifles and the way the dog moves in the back end. If that dog doesn’t have hip dysplasia I’ll eat my hat. The breathing sound is a classic bulldog issue (long soft palate). Anyone who’s willing to pay even $100 for this dog must be pretty dumb, cause your chances are you’ll leave your thousands of $$s at the vet office.
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Designer Dog mixes are made so that AKC, (or any other), registration need not be done, or paid for. The breeder never has to answer any awkward questions like “Are the parents registered”? Are they both on the premises"? “Do they have all their hair”? “Do they have any extra limbs”?
The breeder can create a new batch of puppies by taking an in-heat female to the local dog park and turning her loose. It’s against the park rules, but there isn’t anyone around to enforce the rules on Sunday. 60ish days later…come and get your beautiful Silkysnoozapoopadoodle x Wirechaweeniebumperhumper. Only $600.00 each.
And the bitch’s owner doesn’t have to fork over a stud fee or pick of the litter.
Pit Bull mixes get around the ‘No Pit Bull’ rules in HOAs. Best sellers are dogs that can pass as hound-mix or lab-mix.
Mini Pit Bull gets around the no dogs larger than 25 lbs rule many apartments have. Don’t be fooled by their size, they are as cuddly as Piranha.
Today a lady waltzed into the dog park with 2 in-heat Boston-ish Terriers. She was completely disgusted that there were no intact male dogs to do the deed.
Several boys were game to try anyway, or die fighting for the privilege.
:mad::mad::mad:
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Just proves the point some people have more money than sense and feel the need to be different.
The thing with the Pit Bull is that they never were an AKC breed, and never really had a comprehensive breed standard to begin with. The original registry (ADBA) was a pure performance registry, so as long as the dog did what it was supposed to do, the registry was very generous on appearance. They were hoping for “form follows function” to generate somewhat similar-looking dogs. Nothing wrong with that, but when the performance aspect fell away (for good reasons), there was not much left. Also, when the UKC started registering Pit Bulls, everyone basically started making up their own “vision” of what their dogs should look like. The “American Bully” is just an extension of that, when the dogs got to wide, fat and blue to even qualify as UKC Pit Bulls anymore. The AKC, by registering the American Staffordshire Terrier, is getting a lot more consistent results.
Some people are crossing in mastiff types to get bigger dogs (just look at the brindle dog that is shown as a “regular Pit Bull” in the OP’s video - looks like a Presa cross), some people are crossing in Bulldogs to get wider dogs, some people’s main breeding goal is to double up on the dilute factor to get blue, “lilac fawn brindle” or whatever other fancy name they make up.
Never in the history of any Pit Bull registration has there been mandatory health testing. Under the ADBA, people thought that performance would weed out unhealthy dogs.
“Never in the history of any Pit Bull registration has there been mandatory health testing. Under the ADBA, people thought that performance would weed out unhealthy dogs.”
Also, it helps when you just don’t care if your dogs die young. As long as the pits lived long enough to rip a few other pits apart in the ring and produce a few offspring, Ye Olde Dogmen didn’t care if Grand Champion Overcompensating Killzalot made it to old age. Like temperament and emotional health, physical health wasn’t even secondary for the dogmen - they just didn’t care about anything a dog has to offer except violence.
I ran into one of these types the other day while antique shopping. A man was visiting with the store owner and he had some rare breed of bull mastiff in the store. I was impressed with the look and health of the dog, it was a nine month old intact male weighing in at 160lbs. The dog was restrained by a regular nylon leash and had a simple rope muzzle dangling from its collar. I kept a respectful distance from the dog while speaking with the man and at no time did I make eye contact with the dog. Suddenly the dog moved towards me to smell my hand which was at my side, and then proceeded to rub his head on me asking to be patted. Both the man and the store owner were surprised because this dog is not known for approaching anyone. Just the force from him rubbing his head on me almost knocked me over, this dog was massive and there was no way that the owner would/could ever have complete control over this dog, the dog had at least 30lbs on his owner and he even admitted to the dog hauling him around.
As we were talking and the dog was demanding attention from me I simply asked, “Is he dog aggressive?” The owner replied no but then proceeded to pull the dog away from me and slip his muzzle on. Why act so amazed that his dog approached me for affection and let the dog in my personal space while laughing about it only to pull the dog back and replace the muzzle? I was not nervous or uncomfortable at any time, but I also did not encourage the dog by talking to or patting it.
The dog is only 9 months old and is a disaster waiting to happen or will end up in the pound because he can’t be properly controlled.
Along with the Bulldog and Pug, I’ve always said that Basset Hounds should not exist. Not because they aren’t nice, most are. But a 60 pound dog should have longer than 5 inch legs.
I’m confused, what does LARPing have to do at all with PBs or even dogs in general?
BTW, Tamaskans are domestic dogs (they’re crossbreds from huskies, malamutes and GSDs), not wolf-dogs. Very big in NC, where the foster I mentioned above was from. No mention of wolf-anything from anyone but you. The dog in question very much has a spitz phenotype: here’s a picture of him next to a Malamute/Husky foster. click
The extreme bullies have been a thing for some time, with a community of fanciers breeding and showing “American Bullies” in five class types: Standard, Pocket, XL, and Classic. All are extreme in phenotype. Not new.
There are a number of breeds where suffering is basically considered a collateral, even though they might not look that way. I am thinking of the ~50% prevalence of DCM in Dobes for example, a dog that outwardly looks athletic and healthy.
Seriously? Where were you during the heyday of the Magikal Gypsy Vanners? Same human f’ery, different domestic species. Or, if you need a dog comparison, think of the Border Collie people running around buying flat caps, naming their dogs Tip and Nip, and spitting on “Barbie Collies.” Better living through buying/making dog breeds to create/enrich human fantasies of being craggy hill shepherds, dead game warriors, etc.
Silly! You can’t introduce the topic of the Tamaskans, then affect shock and bafflement that someone brought up wolves and wolf hybrids. That’s like talking about pit bulls and making the frowny BUT WHY? face when someone says “bulldog.” I can’t really live or die on my understanding of Tamaskans, since I had to google them when you mentioned them initially. But from what I can tell, they are a widespread, disorganized effort to make a dog that looks like a wolf, using everything that looks vaguely wolfish, including GSDs and the whole range of sleddog breeds. Tamaskan breeders have used huskies with wolf blood and at least one Saarloos wolfdog. I seem to not be the very first person to think “Wolves” and “Wolf Hybrids” in connection to this little experiment in breed-creation.
Uh, well – since I have no idea what you’re going on about, I was probably picking a stall or riding my horse. What the fruitbat, indeed.
So you don’t know anything about the breed other than a quick google search, but you’re gonna spew hate and bile about it? Nice. Breeding for a specific endeavor is NOT new and is how every breed that we know today is in existence.
Not defending Tamaskans, BYBs, breeders of exotic dogs, Min-Pin Bulls, or general asshattery – just really confused on why you’d bash things of which you have no knowledge - and felt the need to clarify that I had nothing to do with breeding wolf-dogs, and that the Tamaskan is not a wolf-dog.
IDK about you, but I think if there’s idiots out there that want to have a wolf-dog, it sure serves a purpose having a dog that LOOKS like a wolf rather than having a wolf that looks part dog. From a public safety perspective, it’s much more ideal to have a dog that looks like a wolf than a wolf-dog – especially since the latter is usually enticing to people who know nothing about either wolves or dogs, and very little about training.
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