The *Real* Clinton Anderson (profanity)

I couldn’t agree more.

In fact, an emasculator might not be a bad idea.

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Seems to me I saw him at the National Western Stock Show a long time ago, and walked out very early on.

I also saw Linda Parelli there (before I knew who she was), and walked out on that, too.

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Ironically, the full screenshot shows that I was listening to a Buck podcast at the time. He was discussing the sad reality of male suicide within the cowboy industry and how he was doing what he could to promote “please speak up” amongst a culture that doesn’t acknowledge male mental health struggles.

Night and day.

(The CA podcast was found through a Google search, it was not something I wanted to listen to but something that I searched through the transcript for. I did listen to this section to be sure of CA’s inflection before I posted)

Highly recommended listen.

Edit: my mistake, this isn’t the podcast about mental health, but it is the one I was listening to at the time. This is the mental health one.

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Talk about pearl clutching :smile:

And yes, I can believe that horse could have been through many trainers and never vet checked. I’ve seen some “trainers” I wouldn’t send a stick horse to.

The language appalls and disgusts me. I would not stoop to their level of words. But I suppose if you’re a ‘monkey see monkey’ do type of person it is not an issue. You do you.

And if the horse did not have a physical issue it’s possible she had an emotional one. Mares can learn to fight back. Or maybe she simply was a pill. How does what he did help anything? But sure, put his reactions off onto his clients, as though he’s not a professional that should have had the skills by now to slide out of that situation without acting like a complete and utter fool.

“You need to realize true horseman are a dying breed”. All I can say to that within the context of this man’s actions is :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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:clap: standing ovation

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You know, if you don’t like children, don’t become an elementary school teacher. If you don’t like dogs, don’t become a small-animal vet. If you don’t like numbers, don’t become an accountant. And if you don’t like women who are adult amateurs who love horses…

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Bravo!
This- all this!!

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Here here…you know, it is possible to be a “cowboy”, be the traditional man of few words with no BS and not stooping to trashing those who pay your bills. Truth is easier to swallow when its not coated with F-bombs and insults.

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It is bad enough that he was crass and rude to the woman. I could almost write it off as a bad moment. But then when he brags about afterward it shows who he really is. Really dislike him both as a “trainer” and as a person.

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If you can’t hold your liquor and are some kind of public figure, don’t drink and socialize in public.

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I first saw CA 25+ years ago at our state horse expo. He was just moving on to the main stage of being known. I found him interesting and he was safe handling horses and produced positive results with the demo horse he was using.

Saw him about 4 years later at a clinic. It was the last morning and in the kindest, most respectful way he told one participant, a lady in her late 60’s on a very hot barrel horse, that his conclusion after working with her for 3 days was that she and the horse were unsuitable for each other. He laid out examples from the clinic to support his opinion. She was teary eyed but she knew he was correct.

Then he started his big tour and he lost me. I’m not in to showboats.

I read the transcript and it tells me he’s in a comfortable place in life and he doesn’t care if someone is offended by his remarks. No one who needed clients would be caught using that language publicly.

And yes, “The Precious Syndrome” in horses does exist. It happens when a strong horse is told repeatedly how wonderful they are and it becomes a dangerous animal due to owner error. An owner who won’t listen, won’t improve, won’t break dangerous habits is not a client to accept.

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It’s revealing about his character. There are ample people who don’t need clients or resources who would never fathom using such language.

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As someone who works around manufacturing folks, the language bothers me not one bit, personally. It’s the whole tone of the thing though, the palpable disgust.

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how I long for days gone by when language like that was hidden behind closed doors.

Has he not lost his youthful allure yet?!

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My entire working life has been around people that used such language. I’ve been known to toss an F bomb or two myself.

But I don’t do it in that type of public setting and I don’t direct that type of language at a person. And if any of the people I was around said the bs he did to that woman or about women I would have called them on it then and there.

What he said and where he said it was over the line. It rates up there with “locker room talk”. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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I don’t disagree with what his advice was… That this horse should likely be euthanized at this point or just retired at least. It’s the delivery of it all. The lack of any compassion in his delivery.

Which is how I feel about Clinton Anderson in general. It’s what I see when I watch him work with horses. The exercise and what is going for isn’t wrong it’s just he’s so aggressive and grating in how he communicates. With people AND horses.

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He’s the “training” equivalent of always posting in all caps.

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I’m thinking that he got big enough that he no longer cared how he spoke to his clients. Client relations circled the drain, with CA.

Not a surprise that he’s no longer in that job. On top of everything else that went wrong, it could be that a good part of his client base finally fired him.

If one gets out there on cowboy social media, if you can find a way back to the years that he was most active, there are plenty of CA stories that make this one look fairly tame.

CA didn’t seem to care about the risks that he asked unprepared riders to take, and they did because of their confidence in him. It didn’t always work out well.

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Yes, perfect description.

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These wonder trainers are just selling the same brand of dress up cowboy in tight jeans bullspit.

If you want a good trainer, find a female trainer with a good reputation. She had to work twice as hard and probably handles horses in a similar way to most of us women. No fancy rope tricks, no special halters, and no carrot sticks.

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