THE suspension list

[CBoylen]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snowbird:
That’s why zero tolerance for drugs is the way to end it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, yes, because the current problems weren’t all caused by people looking for something that “doesn’t test”. Let’s outlaw everything so they get even more creative. You know what? I’d be glad to see the board thrown wide open, if it meant that just one horse was given ace instead of bled or dropped to the ground with magnesium or calcium. The absolute worst things are the ones you can’t test for at all, and they’re a product of the drug rules.
Do I think people should cheat? NO, of course not. Do I think some will? Absolutely yes. You can make all the rules you want, but you’re going to have to accept the fact that some people will not play by them. I’m not sure that everyone understands the fact that the sale or purchase of just one horse, or the gain or loss of just one customer can make or RUIN someone in this business. Protecting their home and family and business from financial ruin. Murders have been committed over less than that. Do you honestly think you can insure that people won’t cheat to save themselves because “it’s the right thing to do”? You have a lot more faith in human nature than I do.

Finally, people should not be discussed by name until they are listed officially under the suspensions. That’s rude, and some of the rumors going around are about people who haven’t even recieved a letter yet, so I’d say they’re at best premature, and at worst incorrect. Wouldn’t you prefer to have all the facts at your disposal before commenting on anyone in particular? Even the drugs in question haven’t been officially named yet, even when a suspension has been listed. Frankly, after all this discussion of a ‘pyschotropic drug’, the only place I’ve heard any mention of fluphenazine in connection to these rumors has been on this board. I, personally, like to deal with facts.

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[ise]

As someone who worked as a financial analyst and a focus on statistics - I find this cocaine on hands from money concept to be hideously flawed.

IF, in fact, a specific % of money is “tainted” with cocaine residue. And IF, this residue could tranfer onto human hands and then to horses being handled. THEN - a specific % of horses tested AT EVERY SHOW would test positive. Not just one here and there, or a few at a specific show.

Again - as I stated above in this thread - it would be worth the price of admission to have the DEA seal a showgrounds, bring in the sniffer dogs and watch the rodeo begin!!!

It would be especially fun to have the dogs that just sit down when they find drugs on a person - put bright red vests on the dogs and watch them walk around the crowds and sit down in front of people. It would certainly be objective and no-one could claim …someone else did it.

[DarkerHorse]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RioTex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darker Horse:
It’s so weird how everyone gives dex differently. We used to give 8cc of the ‘strong’ (I think 4mg/ml) stuff once per week a day and a half before the main day of showing.
And now the AHSA has so many different ‘options’ in their practical advice section. It is so weird.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are you giving the dex on a regular basis?

http://www.trinityhillfarm.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that’s kind of a personal question.

But anyway I’ll answer. My hunter doesn’t get dex. He is a pregreen horse and is really sound and doesn’t need it. In 5 years he might.

My jumper is a bit older. He is 15, and has seen his share of wear and tear. He is slightly navicular. Not enough to so warrent nerving, but enough so that we inject his coffin joint every 6 months give or take. Sometimes his hocks can be creaky until we’ve warmed up at a trot for a long time. He is just more happy at horse shows with his bute and dex.

Why D’ya Do It?

[hoopoe]

Silver Bells, Somehow I suspect, based on the size of the fine, that some are back for a return engagement already.

This is where the computer archive feature would be wonderful.

I do not believe that the hearings and penalties are “made enough of” At the back of the magazine in very fine print ( understandable due to the wordyness)

I would love to see it up front with more finger shaking and shaming involved. I would love to see it pointed out if someone is a repeat offender.

This whole issue just $^%#(@ me off

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The ancient Greeks did not write obituaries. They only wanted to know if you had a passion.

[MsHunter]

just jump says"3. Ditch the increment rating system, which has killed off the B and C shows, making it “the law” that horses HAVE to be subjected to multi-day shows (and all that goes with them, including confinement to 10x10 stalls, endless road trips, and the requirement that an rider must belong to the leisure class in order to participate).

See I have a problem with this. Although I agree on the increment system being in need of vast improvement, I do NOT think the B and C shows are less of a culprit to showing/soundness of horses. Here in Zone 2 land you have a mind set of “qualify” for Zone 2 finals and take the top 15 shows of res/champ
etc, and I know of trainers and barns that show back to back divisions at one dayers all year long. That can be over 100 times in the ring at 3ft. I don’t think this is better than the 4-5 days shows where the classes are spread out over a few days.

then you have HOW MANY TIMES a week do they jump at home? I also know of programs that require practice practice practice finding those 8 jumps until your perfect. How is this horse going to stay sound?

It is UP to the owners/riders to decide who’s care and program they put their horses in and until they DO care about their horses soundness and well being there will be trainers on the "AA circuit and the “C” circuit that are in demand as they can always provide you with the win.

Owner/Trainer of http://www.geocities.com/plumstedequestrianctr/

[Rocky]

Quoting MsHunter:
“I agree that money has alot to do with the decisions made by trainers and by customers. Again, first decide what your goals are with your riding, then decide what your budget is, then go in search of a trainer that can provide you with the tools necessary to allow you to obtain these goals within your budget.”

Here I am failing to mind my own business again but I feel compelled to chime in…

Make sure your goals are realistic within your budget…unfortunately this sport is expensive and I think that trainers/owners/riders who try to cut financial corners are the ones who can’t resist the temptation to get the results “out of the bottle” rather than facing the reality of what it costs to be patient and get there through good horsemanship, or realize that they made a mistake on a horse and they are never going to get there…

Going back to minding my own business now…

Edited to add…I am not saying this as an excuse, but as an explaination/observation of why some trainers BNT or not, violate the rules…

My new barn mantra…MYOB MYOB

[findeight]

Well, just had to get on here with something I just learned after wondering forever.

I’m just not that sophisticated with some of this “new Age” pharmaceutical “help” to get horses to the ring.

I mean, I never approved of, but could always understand the temptation of a cc of Ace instead of risking a kiddies safety on a pony when the temp drops 40 degrees in 5 hours with a 50mph wind or to avoid 4 hour of LTD. Disapprove of course but at least I can understand the motivation.
I have never been able to understand why the Cocaine.

Somebody enlightened me.

You give them Cocaine to keep them awake and sleepless so they are dead quiet the next day, then you claim it came off the hands of a tourist in the barn or a substance abusing groom.

So now I know…and I think I am glad I am out of that particular loop. Will never again feel the same when they claim the owner had it on their hands or one of the groom’s did.
It’s up there with hanging them in the stall overnight.

What a load of BS

The Horse World. 2 people, 3 opinions. That’s the way it is.

[ALR]

I think the owners should be doing their own research about the drugs, effects and if they are legal or not… I’m sure they are getting billed for what their horses are getting administerd I don’t think that most trainers would foot the bill for all meds. that are given to all of their horses in their barn so the owners are aware if they pay attention that is a different story!

[Court]

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says: Only 1 left in stock–order soon.

Courtney

[Flash44]

You have IV injections and you have IM injections. The last time I saw a trainer try to give an IV injection, the carotid artery was hit, the horse flipped over and went into convulsions, and the only way the horse lived was because the vet happened to be driving up the road about 1/2 mile away.

The trainer happened to be giving the horse a little tranq to remove some stitches (trying to help the horse’s owner save some $$).

[Weatherford]

I was tested after winning a big Jumper class at the QH Congress many many years ago - they wouldn’t even let me get a nice photo with my 3 ft high trophy and enormous ribbon!!

That was in the days before they started giving out GOOD stuff such as saddles and bridles…

So, when is someone going to start emailing me names???

It’s OUT! Linda Allen’s 101 Exercises for Jumping co-authored by MOI!!!

[Sparky22]

Haha Darker - always coming in at just the right time

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[buryinghill1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ruby G. Weber:
Where’d you get the idea this is just about hunters?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey YOU, go back to your ironing

[Black_Market_Radio]

I find it sad that you have to medicate your horse to make him happy, DH. I also find it very sad that putting all the horses on dex at your barn is not seen as something to question.

Devilpups
We are now the Knights Who Say ‘Ecky- ecky- ecky- ecky- pikang- zoop- boing- goodem- zoo- owli- zhiv’

[Jumphigh83]

Feet grow to steel. Aluminum will bandaid the problem but it will not make the heels grow out. Aluminum is too soft. It doesnt support like steel, it allows the heel to crush in since the horses’ weight is greater than the strength of the shoe. A big horse can break an aluminum shoe. Slippering the steel shoe will “force” the heel out and a bigger shoe will allow the heel to grow out to at least the hair line of the coronet band (when dropping a plumb line from the edge of the coronet at the heel to the floor) That is at least where the shoe/heel should be. Not a blacksmith but have had the privilege of working with a few great ones in my life and hopefully have taken something away with me.

Betsy
www.threewindsfarmny.com

Lead, follow, or get out of the way…

[JustJump]

Then again, accidents DO happen… Good help is mighty hard to find…

[Duffy]

I’m sure the newly suspended BNT’s will set up shop just off the WEF showgrounds this winter and do very nicely, thank you very much…

“B***h in training”

[Midge]

Lake Wobegon-Where the women are strong, the men are good looking and the children are above average.

[Rosie]

Why not have regular, mandatory drug testing of trainers’ horses who have tested positive in the past?
If they get caught showing a drugged horse, then they foot the bill for testing ALL the horses they show, EVERY show, for a certain period of time. I

IMO, If the rules exist, they need to be adhered to. If the rules need to be changed, then get ALL the membership to vote on it.

[OAK]

Quite all right I understand I wasn’t that clear my first time. Now do you understand what I am referring to. Yes a “A”“AA” shows have them out in the open, but just where do they put them for the small shows. I’m sure at one time or other someone will be using a sharps box. Why I don’t know.