The Truth in Boarding Barns

[QUOTE=Gloria;8422363]
$1800 per month for fresh sheet and towels that don’t need to be replaced ever week, and hauled away. Two cents a bottle of shampoo and soap versus $12+ each week of bedding. Zero dollar for food, versus $300+ for feed. Back breaking stall mucking, versus easy task of changing sheets. Minimum damage to the room, versus the destructive powers of a horse. And that is the base you use to compare $1800 per month of Room, versus $500 per month of full service boarding?

By the way, you don’t know how much folks are paying for dry stall, do you? When folks talk about $500 boarding, they are talking about full service, not dry stall.[/QUOTE]
In your original statement you make Motel6 sound like an empty room with no services. Somebody had to make that initial investment in the furniture/bed/TV, pay the water bill, hire and supervise the maid staff, order the cheap shampoo, pay for heat/air conditioning, staff the place 24/7, replace the stolen or damaged towels.
You are the one that brought Motel6 in as a comparison, not me. It isn’t a good comparison because even though it is a cheap basic lodging it has its own costs and services that are not the same as a barns.

[QUOTE=Magicboy;8422508]
Guess I’m in the “just glad to be here, how can I help?” Club. I want to be the BO’s favorite boarder so I always leave things looking better than. Found them and if my horse needs something I make sure that I’m the one to deliver the medevine, take his temp, etc.

Is this attitude really so rare among boarders?[/QUOTE]

In years past I think that was the prevailing attitude. I know it is how I think (but then, I’m “old fashioned”). I remember boarding with alot of folks like that. The only ones I know today, are ones that are at least my age and older.

Today I see boarders showing up saying they want their horse cared for in such and such manner with no real idea of what they are asking or even if it is what they should be doing. My current BO has been screening her calls very carefully because too many people have “pasture pets”. They show up once a month to pay the board bill and then you never see them again.

But then again I see BO’s who think the barn runs itself and won’t even come out of the house.

[QUOTE=Magicboy;8422508]
Guess I’m in the “just glad to be here, how can I help?” Club. I want to be the BO’s favorite boarder so I always leave things looking better than. Found them and if my horse needs something I make sure that I’m the one to deliver the medevine, take his temp, etc.

Is this attitude really so rare among boarders?[/QUOTE]

Well, this used to be my attitude as well; which is why I promptly found myself RUNNING each place I was boarding at–each and every time! :smiley: Man, if you’re ready to work, someone will always be happy to let you!

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8423019]
Well, this used to be my attitude as well; which is why I promptly found myself RUNNING each place I was boarding at–each and every time! :smiley: Man, if you’re ready to work, someone will always be happy to let you![/QUOTE]

Me too, running barns and training horses as a young teenager teaches you so, so much also, goes both ways, to everyone’s advantage.

Well, as a boarder, I really do think it’s unsustainable to try to run a barn where literally all you do is manage turn out/in, dump feed, and maintain the property. Part of the reason I board, and pay for it, is because I am not able to run out in the middle of my workday from my office 2 hours away from the barn to strip a layer off my horse when the forecast is 20 degrees warmer than they said it would be.

I guess I do expect a basic level of horse management to come with my board payment. I don’t expect you to design a feed program for my horse, but I do expect you to make a decision about what blanket he should wear for turnout or whether he looks ill and might need attention, or provide me intelligent advice should I ask for it in regard to medical attention.

If I had the time to be at the barn 3x a day doing all the “extra” things over and above making sure my horse wasn’t starving, without water, or standing in his own filth, I might as well figure out a way to bring him home. I don’t begrudge the cost of my board at all. But I do think “I don’t make enough money” means that you aren’t charging enough, not that you should just do the bare minimum and expect that a horse owner needs to be there EVERY.SINGLE.DAY to do everything beyond feeding and turnout. That’s the point of “full care” board, at least to me.

I keep my horses at home as well. . . I only board one horse for three months during the winter, so I can continue to school - as I don’t have an indoor. I try to be a good boarder - I pay on the nose on the first of the month without complaining, I clean up after myself, remember to turn lights off and close gates etc. But I wouldn’t go back to boarding full time for anything. I really like my privacy and my autonomy. I only have four horses so I can get all the chores done in the morning before I go off to my professional job. We are fortunate to have 35 acres of pasture so we don’t have to feed much hay from May through November. I spend about $3000 on hay for four horses for a year - bedding is about $120 a month - the horses stalls are set up as run-ins. . . it doesn’t take me long to change blankets etc. . . no one gets a whole lot of grain - so our bills there are minimal. I’m in a part of the country where cost of living is fairly reasonable so that helps a lot. We live not far from a college and can usually get a student - homesick for her horses - to come take care of ours if we want to get away for a weekend or a vacation.
I sympathize with the hard work barn owners do every day and the expectations they have to try and meet. I agree they need to make a decent profit so they can earn their livings too. But I love keeping mine at home.

One of the trends I have noticed is that BOs sometimes now know less than they did when I was a kid. And this has to do with the way the relationship between wealth and horses has changed.

Long ago, the money it took to own a farm also came with a person who has a lifelong horseman. So you paid what you did for board, but the BO’s standard of care was high. As often as now, the BO knew more than you did because she had seen it all. This was/is a wonderful way to be an absentee HO.

Now, the people I run into who own barns not run by trainers are hobbyists who made their money elsewhere and (as often as not) now have the farm as a realization of a dream. Maybe they rode casually as kids; maybe they took up the sport after they finally made their fortune as an adult.

The toughest part about being the life-long horsewoman (I grew up cleaning stalls and grooming in exchange for rides and lessons) is having a higher standard of care than does your BO. It’s extremely hard to sustain that relationship without someone being unhappy. And in some areas, it doesn’t matter if you’d pay more for what you think is necessary in horse care.

The BO thinks that no bedding is good enough for her horses, so that’s true for all of them. She’s a trail rider, so she’s she doesn’t really know a whole lot about how the footing in the ring is. Her horses go out every other weekend and aren’t too fit, so she can’t understand why those with fitter, working horses are amped up about getting daily turnout for theirs. She put the tie rings low and near stall doors because she’s never seen a horse pull back and really damage his neck… after all, she’s owned exactly 4 grade stock bred good ol’ boys in her life.

It would hurt this BO’s feelings if you said, “This is how they did it, and did it well at X Pro’s barn.” So you have to not make the BO’s standard of care wrong and try to do the extras for your own horse that you have seen better horsemen do.

I mean, there is an alternative to too little TO— you can hand walk, hand graze or pony and such— but it’s all really, really time-consuming. You can get your horse enough calories one way or another… even if it’s not from good quality ample hay. You can teach a horse to wait tied, even if that requires a little bit of McGuyvering something in his stall.

So work arounds exist and I guess that’s part of modern HOing for me. Either that, or agree to lose the money it costs to have a place run my way… but I don’t think I could get others in my area to value it’s amenities or pay what it cost to run it. So I bring the duck tape, bailing twine, patience and a smile to someone else’s barn every day. But I’d be very, very grateful to return to what I had as a kid and what I can get from being in a trainer’s barn: A BO who will do as well as I can or even better.

[QUOTE=Lady Eboshi;8423019]
Well, this used to be my attitude as well; which is why I promptly found myself RUNNING each place I was boarding at–each and every time! :smiley: Man, if you’re ready to work, someone will always be happy to let you![/QUOTE]
Yeah, and at the first barn I boarded there were one or two of these self-proclaimed overachievers that decided their way was the highway and everyone else was going to follow suit, because they took it upon themselves to do extra to impress the owner. And were allowed to run roughshod long enough that they decided most of the boarders’ horses were there for their amusement as well. I was pretty hot the day my 2yo’s nose was rubbed bald from a halter because I was conveniently unable to be at the barn during business hours when merry was made… Made it a pretty hostile place, and I don’t miss that one bit.

[QUOTE=Obsidian Fire;8423005]
In years past I think that was the prevailing attitude. I know it is how I think (but then, I’m “old fashioned”). I remember boarding with alot of folks like that. The only ones I know today, are ones that are at least my age and older.

Today I see boarders showing up saying they want their horse cared for in such and such manner with no real idea of what they are asking or even if it is what they should be doing. My current BO has been screening her calls very carefully because too many people have “pasture pets”. They show up once a month to pay the board bill and then you never see them again.

But then again I see BO’s who think the barn runs itself and won’t even come out of the house.[/QUOTE]

That’s insightful. I’m that “leave it better than I found it” HO. I’m the boarder who comes helps clean the barn on Christmas morning so the regular crew can have a day off and not get burned out.

I didn’t realize that everyone else wasn’t playing by these rules anymore. I guess I wasn’t paying attention. Do you think things really have changed… even though a HO is at the barn to ride still means that she’s kind of treating that place like a restaurant… where one person orders and pays and the other does the work, and it’s a clean divide?

[QUOTE=mvp;8423231]
I didn’t realize that everyone else wasn’t playing by these rules anymore. I guess I wasn’t paying attention. Do you think things really have changed… even though a HO is at the barn to ride still means that she’s kind of treating that place like a restaurant… where one person orders and pays and the other does the work, and it’s a clean divide?[/QUOTE]
I dunno… I always picked my horse’s stall and re-filled his water every time I was out, and if something was amiss (like hoses left loose or the like) I would pick it up. Some people are slobs, and some people cross the line into busybody, in my opinion.

Sorry, mvp, I’m not trying to pick on you here, but this is a common thought that comes up. Many boarders do feel that they are somehow unfairly subsidizing the cost of their BO’s personal barn, arena, or (more mildly) that their BO is really lucky to have their gorgeous farm subsidized for them. Other things I have heard are that their BO “already owns” the farm, or “would own a farm anyway” for their own use, so somehow the BO shouldn’t include those costs in the boarding fees.

Well, let me ask you, would you loan out a house that you “already own” for free to strangers while you were on vacation? Would you loan out your nice car to a stranger to use for free while you weren’t using it? No, obviously not. Chances are, you probably wouldn’t want to rent out either the house or the car even for the going rate because of the risks and the hassles. The same risks and hassles exist for a farm owner.

There are significant costs to opening up your beloved “personal” facility to a group of strangers.

  1. Wear and tear
  2. Liability risk of clients and their guests participating in a dangerous activity. Even with insurance an accident/lawsuit could be a devastating event.
  3. Increased risk of severe damage to facility–from barn fires (from appliances left on by careless clients or a guest sneaking a smoke in the barn) to flooding of barn by water left on.
  4. Increased risk of theft.
  5. Increased risks for your own horses/animals–this is VERY significant. In my time boarding I have had pets run over by clients speeding down the farm lane, I have had my horses let out when clients accidentally left gates open, and the occasional client or guest do something that caused dangerous spooking that resulted in injury to horses.
  6. Increased risk of personal injury to self/family. Even with full time professional staff, there’s no escaping the occasional emergencies that occur that can be risky to handle–violently ill horse, cast horse, loose horse, horse entangled in blanket, etc.
  7. Loss of privacy.

Once you open your “personal” facility up to boarders, it isn’t a personal facility any more, it’s a commercial barn. If you live on site, you are no longer living in a personal paradise but a commercial farm environment with workers, customers, vets and farriers coming and going.

It’s interesting - I boarded for a while, and was surprised that board costs in this area have not gone up much since I was a kid. I would expect them to. All the same, the barn owner at that facility was making bank!

The contract was very clear with the fact care was basic, and prices on what we needed to pay for additional services. I liked that - it was very plain how things worked, so we knew, and paid if we wanted additional services. It was a 120 horse facility, so that made it more attractive to the trail riders and show riders could pay more for the additional care they wanted, and knew how much it would be in advance.

Hay was limited to 20 lbs/day, and you had to pay more for any additional hay. It was not high quality hay, so I had to do that. The BO was paying about $12/bale, and while bales were typically 105-110 lbs, if you round it to 100, board included 6 bales/month.

Outdoor stalls didn’t come with shavings, and we had to pay $15 per tractor scoop load - the BO told me he made a profit on that. I did that twice a month, but indoor stalls did include shavings. Averaging it out, shavings cost the BO about $20/horse max if you averaged among indoor and outdoor stalls, probably less since the outdoor boarders paying for shavings mostly subsidized the indoor horses.

Water was on a well, so there were only electric costs. Say $100/horse/month which is a HUGE stretch.

I thought it would be far more, but apparently insurance was about $1000/month. Call it $1200 to make it a round number, $10/horse.

Two full time employees were not paid more for all additional tasks given. They were provided housing, and paid poorly. I suspect it was not far above $1200 each. Call it $20/horse.

The property and facilities were paid off, so he already had paid for it. $0

Hay: $72
Shavings: $20
Utilities: $100
Insurance: $10
Workers: $20

Total: $222

Average board: $350/month

Difference: $128

Remaining money to pay himself, pay repairs, improvements, well and fence repair, etc.: $15,360/month.

The BO was rarely there, working a couple hours a day and chasing tail the rest of the time. As long as the care was up to a good standard, I had no issues with that. After my horse was cast in his stall and I found out from someone else who had seen it that the employees had to team up to get him free and no one called me (like they were supposed to, with number written on the front of his stall) I started shopping for horse property. When there was a deep freeze which broke the well and he did not bother to make sure horses had water, I left at the start of the next month (and watered a large number of horses myself, hauling in water, for the 5 days there was no well water.)

I’m currently paying more to board two horses at my trainer’s, and feel as if he may be losing money on me. He doesn’t have the streamlined high volume setup, he feeds as much hay as necessary, feeds grain, blankets, turns out, regular care, has made changes to suit my TB, etc. Plus, he does most of the work himself when he could be teaching lessons and making far more per hour.

It really just depends on setup and care given. That first place was fancy looking and has a really slick setup for caring for the horses - corrals were built with an aisle the width of the tractor scoop between them, and the employees would scoop out manure into the aisle, then pick it up with the tractor. VERY efficient for high volume poop picking! When the place was originally bought, it probably had about a $1k mortgage, and maybe that much more for loans to build the facilities. Of course, hay was only $8/bale at the time. I’m sure insurance was even less, too. So altogether, due to size/setup a really profitable place, and the owner was quickly able to quit his other job. That said, I think no true horse person would be so impersonal with so few employees for so many horses…

[QUOTE=BeeHoney;8423268]
Sorry, mvp, I’m not trying to pick on you here, but this is a common thought that comes up. Many boarders do feel that they are somehow unfairly subsidizing the cost of their BO’s personal barn, arena, or (more mildly) that their BO is really lucky to have their gorgeous farm subsidized for them. Other things I have heard are that their BO “already owns” the farm, or “would own a farm anyway” for their own use, so somehow the BO shouldn’t include those costs in the boarding fees.

Well, let me ask you, would you loan out a house that you “already own” for free to strangers while you were on vacation? Would you loan out your nice car to a stranger to use for free while you weren’t using it? No, obviously not. Chances are, you probably wouldn’t want to rent out either the house or the car even for the going rate because of the risks and the hassles. The same risks and hassles exist for a farm owner.

There are significant costs to opening up your beloved “personal” facility to a group of strangers.

  1. Wear and tear
  2. Liability risk of clients and their guests participating in a dangerous activity. Even with insurance an accident/lawsuit could be a devastating event.
  3. Increased risk of severe damage to facility–from barn fires (from appliances left on by careless clients or a guest sneaking a smoke in the barn) to flooding of barn by water left on.
  4. Increased risk of theft.
  5. Increased risks for your own horses/animals–this is VERY significant. In my time boarding I have had pets run over by clients speeding down the farm lane, I have had my horses let out when clients accidentally left gates open, and the occasional client or guest do something that caused dangerous spooking that resulted in injury to horses.
  6. Increased risk of personal injury to self/family. Even with full time professional staff, there’s no escaping the occasional emergencies that occur that can be risky to handle–violently ill horse, cast horse, loose horse, horse entangled in blanket, etc.
  7. Loss of privacy.

Once you open your “personal” facility up to boarders, it isn’t a personal facility any more, it’s a commercial barn. If you live on site, you are no longer living in a personal paradise but a commercial farm environment with workers, customers, vets and farriers coming and going.[/QUOTE]

I used to fantasize about having a boarding barn for like-minded people who had high standards of horse care, who cared about the same things, who treated their horses like I do, and who are always eager to learn and grow in their horsemanship. When I lived in the Bay Area, I dreamt about that place being somewhere that fed hay (the barns where I boarded only fed hay cubes), that had good-sized turnout (bigger than two stalls in a pipe corral on stone-dust footing), where you could turn out all day (instead of 1-2 hours), and that had good footing, trails, etc. There were actually a few small, private barns like that but they had a very long waiting list and once someone got in, they rarely left!

Now that I’ve got my own place (and I’ve heard the horror stories here), I don’t have the interest anymore. Even for my dearest friend I wouldn’t want to board her horse, for all the reasons you mention above. I’m happy to have my own place and do things my way. I probably couldn’t board out one horse for what it costs me to keep my three at home in the manner to which they have become accustomed. :lol: There are things that I think are important, that others probably wouldn’t think are so important, and there are things that I don’t think are so important that others probably would. With my own place I can do things my way and nobody complains about it except for me, and then I only have myself to blame! :smiley:

One other issue on being a BO no one else has mentioned:

You not only are “on duty” 24/7/365, your “personal” space is also largely public.

Everything you do is under observation, every move you make is subject to inspection, judgment, and comment, and you can barely move out of your front door at any hour of any day without being prepared to Meet the People and make nice, solve problems, be interested and supervise activities. Depending on the impression you want to make, this means dressing, looking, and comporting yourself as though in a “business” setting literally around the clock.

It means running outside in your nightshirt to walk a dog is probably not an option, nor is failing to make a dump trip for 3 months or parking your boyfriend’s trailer in the field, or blowing off chores until later to go out to dinner. It means when you appear to feed at 0800 you shouldn’t look like you were out on a bender the night before. It means that you have a uniform standard of upkeep for your barn, house, and yard that is adhered to AT ALL TIMES because “your public” are expecting no less. The leaves are raked, the snow is plowed, the water is running and you look like you’re paying attention to boarders’ needs. ALL. THE. TIME. Relentlessly. Forever.

I wonder if those of you who work 9-5 can really comprehend how that is? And you are not being compensated for it directly, but it’s sure expected by clients.
24/7/365 availability.

[QUOTE=mvp;8423193]
One of the trends I have noticed is that BOs sometimes now know less than they did when I was a kid. And this has to do with the way the relationship between wealth and horses has changed.

Long ago, the money it took to own a farm also came with a person who has a lifelong horseman. So you paid what you did for board, but the BO’s standard of care was high. As often as now, the BO knew more than you did because she had seen it all. This was/is a wonderful way to be an absentee HO.

Now, the people I run into who own barns not run by trainers are hobbyists who made their money elsewhere and (as often as not) now have the farm as a realization of a dream. Maybe they rode casually as kids; maybe they took up the sport after they finally made their fortune as an adult.

The toughest part about being the life-long horsewoman (I grew up cleaning stalls and grooming in exchange for rides and lessons) is having a higher standard of care than does your BO. It’s extremely hard to sustain that relationship without someone being unhappy. And in some areas, it doesn’t matter if you’d pay more for what you think is necessary in horse care.

The BO thinks that no bedding is good enough for her horses, so that’s true for all of them. She’s a trail rider, so she’s she doesn’t really know a whole lot about how the footing in the ring is. Her horses go out every other weekend and aren’t too fit, so she can’t understand why those with fitter, working horses are amped up about getting daily turnout for theirs. She put the tie rings low and near stall doors because she’s never seen a horse pull back and really damage his neck… after all, she’s owned exactly 4 grade stock bred good ol’ boys in her life.

It would hurt this BO’s feelings if you said, “This is how they did it, and did it well at X Pro’s barn.” So you have to not make the BO’s standard of care wrong and try to do the extras for your own horse that you have seen better horsemen do.

I mean, there is an alternative to too little TO— you can hand walk, hand graze or pony and such— but it’s all really, really time-consuming. You can get your horse enough calories one way or another… even if it’s not from good quality ample hay. You can teach a horse to wait tied, even if that requires a little bit of McGuyvering something in his stall.

So work arounds exist and I guess that’s part of modern HOing for me. Either that, or agree to lose the money it costs to have a place run my way… but I don’t think I could get others in my area to value it’s amenities or pay what it cost to run it. So I bring the duck tape, bailing twine, patience and a smile to someone else’s barn every day. But I’d be very, very grateful to return to what I had as a kid and what I can get from being in a trainer’s barn: A BO who will do as well as I can or even better.[/QUOTE]

I agree that compromises have to be made, whether you board or keep horses at home. Oftentimes we know that something isn’t perfect and have to make it work. I would hate to compromise on what I see as the most important things,which for me are turnout and forage. I’m willing to pay extra for sufficient hay and I’d be willing to pay extra for turnout. Work around a on turnout for me aren’t realistic. I’d have to get out of horses if I had to hand walk. With my lifestyle, between work and caring for pets at home, turnout is a huge priority because I can’t go to a boarding barn daily.

[QUOTE=soloudinhere;8423046]
Well, as a boarder, I really do think it’s unsustainable to try to run a barn where literally all you do is manage turn out/in, dump feed, and maintain the property. Part of the reason I board, and pay for it, is because I am not able to run out in the middle of my workday from my office 2 hours away from the barn to strip a layer off my horse when the forecast is 20 degrees warmer than they said it would be.

I guess I do expect a basic level of horse management to come with my board payment. I don’t expect you to design a feed program for my horse, but I do expect you to make a decision about what blanket he should wear for turnout or whether he looks ill and might need attention, or provide me intelligent advice should I ask for it in regard to medical attention.

If I had the time to be at the barn 3x a day doing all the “extra” things over and above making sure my horse wasn’t starving, without water, or standing in his own filth, I might as well figure out a way to bring him home. I don’t begrudge the cost of my board at all. But I do think “I don’t make enough money” means that you aren’t charging enough, not that you should just do the bare minimum and expect that a horse owner needs to be there EVERY.SINGLE.DAY to do everything beyond feeding and turnout. That’s the point of “full care” board, at least to me.[/QUOTE]

I think the difference is that you know what you need/want and you are willing to pay for it.

Full care can mean so many different things. For example I have never boarded anywhere that the term full care included blanket changes or them determining what blanket to use. There are barns around here that offer that, they are just out of my price range.

It is the people who want the better features, know they cost more but still pick the lower priced barn that does not offer those things but then gets mad that they are not included that are the issue.

There’s one key piece here that’s forgotten… the owner’s horses.

Where I board, they are very up front about the fact that the only reason they have boarders (and a H/J trainer) is to make the property affordable for themselves and allow the owner’s son to pursue his dressage career.

Do they make money boarding our horses? Nope. No one does. But it means they can justify the facility as part of the board cost covers the property/facility hard costs. I’m not including wear and tear or consumables, but the rent/mortgage/taxes etc that remain stable regardless of how many horses are in the barn.

This is the example from the article:

Stall-Let’s say we lease or have a mortgage on a facility that has an indoor arena, an out door, a couple of acres of pasture and a 12 stall barn for $1200 a month, the cost for 1 stall each month is $100.

Let’s flip that around. Around here I expect a stall cost to be $200-$250/horse (keeping in mind land is expensive). 30 stall facility, assuming a couple of empty stalls plus 2-3 horses owned by the BO, plan on 25 boarder stalls paying the mortgage/rent. That’s $6,250 (assuming a nicer facility that can assume $250/dry stall) towards rent/mortgage/taxes. Chances are good the BO’s residence is included in this.

So while no, the BO is not going to be drawing any salary from boarding since every penny would be eaten up by costs (including the mortgage), it has provided a facility for which they can now run another business (the training business), as well as their place of residence.

And like I said, the BO is very up front that they board to afford the facility. She also takes great care of the horses, and for the most part, has a very reasonable bunch of adult boarders who WILL be there at 2am dealing with their sick horse, or pick a few stalls or toss hay, or help with turn in or out.

[QUOTE=BeeHoney;8423268]
Sorry, mvp, I’m not trying to pick on you here, but this is a common thought that comes up. Many boarders do feel that they are somehow unfairly subsidizing the cost of their BO’s personal barn, arena, or (more mildly) that their BO is really lucky to have their gorgeous farm subsidized for them. Other things I have heard are that their BO “already owns” the farm, or “would own a farm anyway” for their own use, so somehow the BO shouldn’t include those costs in the boarding fees.

Well, let me ask you, would you loan out a house that you “already own” for free to strangers while you were on vacation? Would you loan out your nice car to a stranger to use for free while you weren’t using it? No, obviously not. Chances are, you probably wouldn’t want to rent out either the house or the car even for the going rate because of the risks and the hassles. The same risks and hassles exist for a farm owner.

There are significant costs to opening up your beloved “personal” facility to a group of strangers.

  1. Wear and tear
  2. Liability risk of clients and their guests participating in a dangerous activity. Even with insurance an accident/lawsuit could be a devastating event.
  3. Increased risk of severe damage to facility–from barn fires (from appliances left on by careless clients or a guest sneaking a smoke in the barn) to flooding of barn by water left on.
  4. Increased risk of theft.
  5. Increased risks for your own horses/animals–this is VERY significant. In my time boarding I have had pets run over by clients speeding down the farm lane, I have had my horses let out when clients accidentally left gates open, and the occasional client or guest do something that caused dangerous spooking that resulted in injury to horses.
  6. Increased risk of personal injury to self/family. Even with full time professional staff, there’s no escaping the occasional emergencies that occur that can be risky to handle–violently ill horse, cast horse, loose horse, horse entangled in blanket, etc.
  7. Loss of privacy.

Once you open your “personal” facility up to boarders, it isn’t a personal facility any more, it’s a commercial barn. If you live on site, you are no longer living in a personal paradise but a commercial farm environment with workers, customers, vets and farriers coming and going.[/QUOTE]

I’m smarter and more considerate that I look. Promise!

I’m not saying that boarders are subsidizing a lifestyle or even a real estate investment any more than I’d say that, say, a customer of a tee shirt shop was supporting its owner.

But you miss my point: It was not that boarders think these guys would have had the same gorgeous covered ring with or without their dollars in which case, they should be able to just use that structure for free. What I did say is that commercializing a farm such that it allows a BO to have better facilities than she could have paid for on her own is a common and viable strategy. If you don’t believe me, re-read my post about his. It was about a hobby farm (sans covered arena, no big barn and place to ride in the winter) vs. one the BO could use… so long as she had borders to provide cash flow and a basis for writing improvements off her taxes.

So, to answer your question: If I had a house that was better than I could afford and I found myself running a B&B with it in order to hang onto it, I’d accept that I had chosen my way of earning a living. Heck, look at all the titled people in the UK pimping out their castles and estates in order to keep the lights on.

So no BO gets to be unhappy because once her personal farm has been upgraded by becoming commercialized because it’s… well… commercialized!

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I probably couldn’t board out one horse for what it costs me to keep my three at home in the manner to which they have become accustomed. :lol: [/QUOTE]

Some people say this, and others gather their accounting ledgers to show us that there’s almost no profit in boarding.

How can both be true? Or, in this case, how can the numbers be so far apart as to a horse being able to live at home for just 1/3 the cost of boarding him out? What is/isn’t being counted in each scenario?

That kind of “the numbers don’t make sense… by a wide margin” contributes to the adversarial part of the HO/BO conversation. If everyone misses by so much, someone’s gotta be lying, right?

I’m going to hide this thread because my partner periodically goes off on a “why am I doing this rant”. Yup. we run a barn, and Yes occasionally a boarder will overstep expectations, usually the same boarder. But then thee are those you don’t mind doing extra for when their horse has a problem because they try very hard not to ask for help.

I’ve observed that those who’ve been in several other barns usually do little complaining. :wink: