Going by this video, this is not a stallion I would choose for eventing. His canter has too much up-and-down. I like to see a stallion who covers the ground very efficiently, without knee action. I really believe that the gallop should be of paramount importance in breeding for UL eventers. The demands we make on our horses in jumping and dressage aren’t nearly as extreme as for at the top levels of the straight versions of those sports but a good gallop is something very specific to eventing that can make a huge difference in terms of competitive success.
We have a new eventer by Ilian De Taute (selle francais) that is promoted as an eventing stallion. I know there are a few offspring eventing and doing quite well
here is a link to our girl doing her first gallop with my son
http://www.prospectequinefarms.com/images/lilly/101-0177_IMG.JPG
One thing to keep in mind is who this WB blood, that isn’t truly meant to gallop, minus the TKs & Irish horses, might not stay sound enoughat the higher levels. The bone is less dense, and (though I haven’t researched it) I can’t imagine the tendons & ligaments are built to sustain years of galloping. So, while you may get a little more jump & an easier dressage ride if you get lucky, I would question how long they can compete for you. I’d choose solid Irish lines or something that has stood up to eventing & sired horses that have as well (particularly for a WB-cross because how they breed can vary, esp with a TB mare).
Having said that, I’ll throw out Quintender. Not sure how brave he is, and he’s not a particularly easy ride, but he was well conformed & a very light mover. When he galloped I was surprised at how light he was. Plenty of jump, and could cross very well with TB mares - the whole type to type mentality. An idea to research.
Some good Anglo-arab blood would be interesting as well…has this worked well for eventers recently?
With horses like AFR here, who have the trainablility to help in the dressage test, and can jump, those are the horses I would stick to. I liked Formula One when I saw him go, but not sure what he’s done as a sire or event horse.
I’m enjoying this thread…
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From what you’re saying here, I would think seriously then about CD. It would keep her stable build, it would add jump, the baby would be irish over fences, TB in the gallop, get some good movement on the ground, and I love the CD horses for soundnesss.
Plus so many of these Stallions listed here will be available for years to come. Snap up some CD while there is still some left![/QUOTE]
Major ditto. I chose CD for my mare (very similar build to yours) with all intentions of getting something that fits the above description. I did hear that CD can pass on a quirky/opinionated disposition under saddle and can be difficult to start. But I think a lot of that is due to how they were actually started.
Also, my vet was super impressed with the quality of his semen. My mare is older (16) and quality of semen was very important, esp when using frozen with limited doses.
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Some good Anglo-arab blood would be interesting as well…has this worked well for eventers recently?
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I think (I know?) that Leslie Law’s Fleecworks Mystere du Val had some arab blood in there. And certainly that is the benefit of breeding to a Trakehner–ideally–that you get the stamina, blood, and soundness of the Arab thrown in there too for good measure.
I too am enjoying this thread…
And thought I might also add that Jakata, Piggy French’s ride at the WEGS is an Abdullah baby (not that I’m advocating abdullah–but that we’ve been taking a long look at Galten Farm’s stallions, and they have alot of that blood, and if you check out Darren ChiChi’s website he has some of the babies jumping, and HOLY COW do they have pop!). And there’s some more Trakehner for you!
But, no, seriously. I would breed to what is in limited supply. Because you might regret it later!
Who between CD and FO has a better track record on the flat? Opposition Buzz and Midnight Dazzler come to mind as the 2 top **** progeny, but neither are…easy…on the flat! 
Not to be picky or anything, but I thought Jakata, Piggy French’s WEG ride, is by the TB Abdullah (Shadeed x Club Class x Roberto), not the trak version. He stands in Ireland for sport horses and has a few event horses. He was sold to Ireland by the very famous and accomplished British Louella Stud per Horse Breeder’s Magazine.
I’m doing what I can to verify Jakata’s breeding.
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Don’t know if you’ll find this helpful but here’s a video of Spring Along working on the flat and over small fences at a demonstration.[/QUOTE]
I have a Pallas Digion as well. Super horse! He is 8 now, ran up through prelim by age 6. Unfortunately he is quite accident prone and managed to do a tendon, so once rehab is done he is going to go be a jumper. He is big, amazing jump that he doesn’t have to work for, brave as the day is long, careful in show jumping, and quite nice on the flat. He is working 4th level but I would think with the right rider could get the PSG. His trot is his worst gate and it is not shabby at all. His biggest 2 faults that I would say are, he is a bit long backed (take a look at daddy), and while I don’t mind it one bit the Pallas babies I have known all have one hell of a buck! Other known Pallas babies eventing are Three Wishes, Ballywick, Spring Along as mentioned, Dixie Chick, and many others. I actually want to find another Pallas baby. Amazing temperament and super athletic, but possibly not an amatuer ride with the aerobatics that several of the youngsters are known for.
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But, no, seriously. I would breed to what is in limited supply. Because you might regret it later!
Who between CD and FO has a better track record on the flat? Opposition Buzz and Midnight Dazzler come to mind as the 2 top **** progeny, but neither are…easy…on the flat! :D[/QUOTE]
As far as movement goes, I tend to favor the CDs. The FOs can be a little unconventional. The CDs have a very classic look that I find irresistible.
Of course, the FO son Summersong is a gorgeous mover but then he’s out of the same mare as CD. Summersong seems to pass on good movement as well as his considerable enthusiasm for XC, which is a bit over the top.
My own CD baby is out of a spectacular TB mare who is a rather fussy ride in general. The CD mare is infinitely easier on the flat but she is so elastic and athletic that she takes a very specific kind of ride to produce good scores (and we’re getting there!). Over fences, it’s basically point and hang on. She’s very straight and honest.
(And I have more CD in the freezer.)
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Not to be picky or anything, but I thought Jakata, Piggy French’s WEG ride, is by the TB Abdullah (Shadeed x Club Class x Roberto), not the trak version. He stands in Ireland for sport horses and has a few event horses. He was sold to Ireland by the very famous and accomplished British Louella Stud per Horse Breeder’s Magazine.
I’m doing what I can to verify Jakata’s breeding.[/QUOTE]
And I do what I can not to make mistakes! 
http://www.americantrakehner.com/absolutenp/anmviewer.asp?a=1113&z=1
Of course…the ATA could be wrong too! LOL. It’s best to skeptical about all reports!
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And I do what I can not to make mistakes! There’s no information as bad as wrong information!
http://www.americantrakehner.com/absolutenp/anmviewer.asp?a=1113&z=1[/QUOTE]
It’s very aggravating when neither the FEI nor the UK NED database has the breeding for this horse. I’ve checked both, and now am reduced to asking an actual human being in Ireland to see if there is breeding information that the FEI and NED don’t have.
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It’s very aggravating when neither the FEI nor the UK NED database has the breeding for this horse. I’ve checked both, and now am reduced to asking an actual human being in Ireland to see if there is breeding information that the FEI and NED don’t have.[/QUOTE]
The Trakehner Verband–who I trust more than the ATA–also site Jakata as TK, by Abdullah. It’s in German, but in the 2nd paragraph it says, " Piggy French’s athletic partner is the brown gelding Jakata, whose fater is the Olympic champion Abdullah."
You should definitely check out the newly approved Trakehner Verband stallion Bonaparte AA. Grand Prix show jumper, so brave…OMG is how I would describe him!
Oops, didn’t see Molly Malone’s link above…
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You should definitely check out the newly approved Trakehner Verband stallion Bonaparte AA. Grand Prix show jumper, so brave…OMG is how I would describe him![/QUOTE]
Lovely stallion.
There’s actually been an attempt to contact Piggy French, but this is Pau weekend.
The TB Abdullah won the UK New Stallion Championships the year before he went to Ireland, so he must have been a nice sport horse type.
Jakata is a 1998 model, so either frozen was used or Abdullah (TKR) was still breeding at 28.
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Jakata is a 1998 model, so either frozen was used or Abdullah (TKR) was still breeding at 28.[/QUOTE]
IIRC, Abdullah (TKR) was still available into this century.
Trakehner stallion Abdullah is still available frozen even today. He is the sire of Piggy French’s Jakata.
There are folks in Ireland researching this as well.
Apparently Piggy French (or her owners) purchased Jakata from an Italian event rider. I don’t think the breeding has ever been confirmed as being the Trakehner Abdullah.
There was Abdullah frozen available through SBS in Italy at one time, but that doesn’t mean the horse was bred there. Without evidence, anyone can claim him.
Interestingly enough, if Jakata does turn out to be by the TB Abdullah, that would give the ISH studbook enough points to put them back at the top of the WBFSH rankings for eventing.
(sorry for the tangent OP!)
Might be some confusion about which Abdullah. Piggy French is being asked.
Somehow, given the Trak Abdullah’s offspring’s reputations for rideability, I cannot imagine breeding to him for a horse that would have to do 4th level dressage. Sort of boggles the mind.
Piggy French was asked this question by a journalist friend of mine in Ireland, right after she returned from WEG . At that time she didn’t know which Abdullah.
