Sonetimes I wonder if this board should be split European Warmbloods/Everyone else
Or at least start their own thread!!! :lol:
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Is this a semantics issue? I think of the term “grade” to mean “of unknown origin.” Or completely mixed up, like my Libbey who is QH/POA/Shetland. I consider her to be grade. Meaning it could be a little of this and a little of that. I use the term “part bred” or “crossbred” to mean something of known origin such as a TB/Hano cross, or QH/Arab, etc.
I think diamondgirl is using the term grade to mean anything that isn’t pure and registered.
I personally don’t care one bit about registries and purity because in the end, they all go back to one or two breeds anyway. :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Semantics can be important in marketing. I consider Wynn to be breeding champion sporthorses - sounds a lot better than grade ponies or crossbreds, doesn’t it 
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My POINT was to show what breeders are putting into it and buyers should be thankful that breeders are EVEN DOING THIS![/QUOTE]
Or perhaps you might want to re-evaluate & say that you are thankful for the customers that are BUYING.
I’m in sales & I always remember that a customer has a choice & make sure they know I appreciate them choosing my product…
10K for a well-bred, nice foal seems perfectly reasonable. Personally, I wouldn’t buy it b/c I prefer a horse already going but it wouldn’t be the price that would be an issue.
My point is that price should reflect product. Great product = high prices. Average product = average prices. Frankly, it costs you the same amount to breed either but the first, I’m willing to pay a premium on. The second, not so much.
They are healthier if they’re not kept inside. They might even wear their feet naturally.
Most breeders I know evaluate each foal individually and price accordingly to its strength, weakness, bloodlines, etc, etc, etc.
One of our breeder friends just got her prize horse struck by lightening. It devisated her. Chances like this are what makes me bring our horses in when its bad weather.
I know Carosello and she takes awesome care of her horses (she is out of breeding now, but the years she did) and her babies all were super quality as well as correct.
She would not cut corners on care.
Interesting.
There are two impications in that post. The first being that anyone who disagrees with you is anti-WB. That is a big stinking pile of cobblers. I have admired WBs and have had an interest in WB bloodlines since before you knew what one was.
The second, an equally large, nay possibly larger, pile of cobblers, is that the people that disagree with you are not breeding quality stock.
Did not say either of those, you came up with that all on your own conclusion.
Point again is that breeders put a lot of money into their breeding program, dont always sell it for what it really costs, but the ones that are worth it are very much worth the 10K price and over.
I think her conclusion is dead on the money. :yes: Well said Drvmb1ggl3!
Oh god, I hate it when someone comes along and adds all the expenses up… makes me sick to my stomach. :no:
But the joy of seeing those foals each year is sooooooooo worth it. :yes:
This has been an educational thread for me… from a breeder perspective and a buyer perspective – Thanks!
As you very well know this thread was not “This is why WB weanlings cost $10K”
Yes it was, being that the numbers I provided refeclt only the WB market stuff that I do, as that is all I care about. What ELSE would it be about, that is just as silly statement.
So, your very incorrect.
Im sorry so many people got their panties so wedged, but the truth is breeding quality horses takes money and quality horses do sell for that amount. Point being, dont expect to go and pay 5K for a super A+ bred, super quality, super correcet, super moving youngster.
:rolleyes:
If you cant find one for less, than hats off to you, but they are far and in between.
Again, Im still waiting for someone to show me a young horse I just explained above with a super 4 generation pedigree, good inspection scores (to give and outside opinion of movement, type and conformation) for under 10K!! PLEASE show me…
And we were supposed to just guess?
THIS IS WHY!! THIS IS WHY!!! rant
The next time someone thinks that a 10K foal is expensive, go look at this:
http://www.spindletopfarm.net/breedingcosts.htm
And then shut your mouth!
end of rant
Being that I only breed and deal with WB’s its pretty obvious.
I wouldn’t begin to answer for others, but we made the choice to invest greatly in outstanding (and expensive) broodmares so that we could be on par with the very best jumper breeders anywhere. Quality broodmares do save you in the long run … that is one or two less generations that you have to work on breeding something out (which may or may not happen) AND they are from bloodlines proven to produce winner after winner in the jumper ring. We did not buy on bloodlines alone. A common mistake I see is people buying based on bloodlines, yet the mare was culled either from the ring or from a breeding program in Europe as she was inferior in quality and/or talent. Our mares are the whole package. We prefer to raise our foals and sell them undersaddle, so we don’t have to push to sell young. There is no lack of market for exceptional sporthorses undersaddle.
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Funny thing is, I was actually thinking about the expensive broodmare issue before I read that post of yours, STF. I realized they exist and it occurred to me to wonder WHY someone would indeed buy a broodmare for so much money, given sporthorse markets in this country and the LACK of a big equestrian (as in “sporthorse”) tradition here, unlike Europe. Our very culture makes it less likely (NO NO NO, hardly impossible) that you will find many buyers for your foal–and to find them and impress them sufficiently to buy, you are (like I said about advertising in the Pennysaver vs. the slick, upscale Ocala Style) going to have to spend a mint. So what is the motivation, the point, of a business producing a risky product for a tiny market? Is that a business? What was the name of that car they used in Back to The Future? The one with doors that opened like wings (and no one would buy)?[/QUOTE]
And SJ66, your barn does have some of North Americas nicest mares. Congrats to the Silvercreek team for upping the odds and brining in/breeding outstanding quality!
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Being that I only breed and deal with WB’s its pretty obvious.[/QUOTE]
Yes well, most of us out here in cyberspace have no idea what you breed and deal with, so it is not obvious at all. And a quality horse is a quality horse, regardless of breed and they ALL cost a lot to produce.
I guess I need to clarify, that is “nicest WB mares”… before someone gets their panties stuck again! :lol:
Disagree and here is why -
Breed registries are very strict on breed stock and what we can bring in to the books, what can produce offspring for the higher books and mostly breed stock. A riding horse is another matter, breed stock is a totally different story where quality has a lot to be defined into and approved.
Oh to add - I DO agree. Its ALL expensive!! Gawd awful expensive! I often thing I could spend a of time in a luxury resort for what I am doing. But its ok… I think! :lol:
Excuse me, I wasn’t aware that the thread was solely about you and your horses.
