THIS IS WHY!! THIS IS WHY!!! *rant*

[juliab]

[QUOTE=STF;2610289]
Disagree and here is why -

Oh to add - I DO agree. Its ALL expensive!! Gawd awful expensive! I often thing I could spend a of time in a luxury resort for what I am doing. But its ok… I think! :lol:[/QUOTE]

My hubby would agree with you His favorite line is: “Tell me again why we have all these animals?”

I don’t breed WBs. When I decided to breed my first mare, I found a WB stallion that I thought was nice and then I looked into what it would entail to get the foal registered and gave up. I couldn’t stand the badly set up websites of the breed registries often with poor English translations and all the expense and bother. I had already fallen in love with TBs in any case and like them better. The Jockey Club is very professional and great to deal with. WBs are not for me. I’ll probably go broke breeding TBs and TB crosses but so far, I’m finding a market for my babies and my stallion and (almost) breaking even I might even make a tiny profit in 2008 - fingers crossed

[STF]

@carolprudm;2610327

Excuse me, I wasn’t aware that the thread was solely about you and your horses.

Again, it was not, it was about breeding in the warmblood market and people wanting super bred warmblood horse for nothing.

[sm1]

[QUOTE=STF;2610282]
Originally Posted by STF, “And SJ66, your barn does have some of North Americas nicest mares. Congrats to the Silvercreek team for upping the odds and brining in/breeding outstanding quality!”

I guess I need to clarify, that is “nicest WB mares”… before someone gets their panties stuck again! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Oh lordie, STF, when find yourself in a hole: stop digging! It almost hurts to watch, you keep getting yourself in deeper… As beautiful as the farm is, and it is gorgeous, there are two THOROUGHBRED broodmares over there:

Raise or Fold
http://www.silvercreeksporthorses.com/raiseorfold.html

Miz Fastpaced
http://www.silvercreeksporthorses.com/mizfastpaced.html

And kudos to all the breeders, WB and arab and QH and Iberians, Morgans, Palaminos, etc… it ain’t easy.

[STF]

might even make a tiny profit in 2008 - fingers crossed

Good Luck on a sucessful year! Its expensive yes, but watching the babies play in the field and how they nicker at you when you go to feed and when they see you, makes it all worth it!

[STF]

@sm;2610352

Oh lordie, STF, when find yourself in a hole: stop digging! As beautiful as the farm is, as it is gorgeous, there are two THOROUGHBRED broodmares over there:

Raise or Fold
http://www.silvercreeksporthorses.com/raiseorfold.html

Miz Fastpaced
http://www.silvercreeksporthorses.com/mizfastpaced.html

TB’s are a big part of the WB industry. Barb and Summer breed TB’s, just as we do to nice WB stallions. Nothing wrong with that. And if I know Barb and Summer, both of those mares are approved with WB certification papers.

Ahh, just went to look at both of those TB mares are fully approved with multi warmblood registries for breeding.

PS - Im not even close to a hole, not even in a ditch yet. :lol: Just wish everyone could stay on the original topic, thats all.

[2ndyrgal]

I added up the totals in the yellow column and only got $6299.00. I would not consider a well bred filly or colt to be an expensive one at 10K, rather on the cheap side. Would I pay that for a horse that hadn’t been backed yet, no, because that’s not my thing. Would I pay 20K for something that had? yep.

[STF]

No, add it again and scole down. Remember to take the extended values to the left of the spreadsheet, that is the 16month total.
It adds correctly!

[Auventera_Two]

@STF;2610196

Again, Im still waiting for someone to show me a young horse I just explained above with a super 4 generation pedigree, good inspection scores (to give and outside opinion of movement, type and conformation) for under 10K!! PLEASE show me…

Well, I started doing the homework for you but gave up because there were way too many. I don’t have that kind of time to paste them all here. But you can do what I did - go on equine.com and search for your warmblood breed of choice, select the price (I did $1,000 - $9,000) and start scrolling.

I found quite a few Dutch, Hano, Trak, and Danish in that price range that were proven, registered, listed inspection scores, etc.

If you absolutely CANNOT find a horse to fit your bill, it’s because you’re choosing not to look. I’m not saying they’re a dime a dozen, but they sure are out there.

[sm1]

well, there are over 50 pages of WBs under $9K (that was my search, to $9,000): http://www.equine.com/horses/search_results.aspx?search_id=2df56c91-1f31-4468-b9f0-3b8b2f6e82b1

And I don’t know if you can hold them to 4-generation WB pedigree (both dam and sire) if you accept the thoroughbred broodmares I mentioned in post 321, and you acknowledged them in post 323.

[STF]

@Auventera Two;2610422

Well, I started doing the homework for you but gave up because there were way too many. I don’t have that kind of time to paste them all here. But you can do what I did - go on equine.com and search for your warmblood breed of choice, select the price (I did $1,000 - $9,000) and start scrolling.

I found quite a few Dutch, Hano, Trak, and Danish in that price range that were proven, registered, listed inspection scores, etc.

If you absolutely CANNOT find a horse to fit your bill, it’s because you’re choosing not to look. I’m not saying they’re a dime a dozen, but they sure are out there.

I do look, I look all the time. Yes, there are tons of horses out there, but Im talking SPS and Elite mare canidiates.

[STF]

Now she has my attention -
http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=471668&search_id=b1473536-54f9-4d23-9705-08b6afb016fa&p=4
Vurrry cute and well bred.

[appaloosalady]

@STF;2610362

PS - Im not even close to a hole, not even in a ditch yet. :lol: Just wish everyone could stay on the original topic, thats all.

My interpretation of the OT was “look how much it costs me to get a foal on the ground - that is why I can charge $10,000”. As others have said, and I have said numerous times on other threads, the cost of a foal has nothing to do with its eventual value. As far as not being able to compare costs between WBs and other breeds, last time I checked my vet charged me the same price for working with my apps as he does my friend for her WBs and my hay and grain cost the same, too.

[STF]

Ahhh, lovely - this one is another one Im drooling over!!!
http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=449636&search_id=b1473536-54f9-4d23-9705-08b6afb016fa&p=6

[STF]

My interpretation of the OT was “look how much it costs me to get a foal on the ground - that is why I can charge $10,000”.

Thats odd, when I dont even have foals listed for that much! LOL My foals are listed for 6500-8500 at birth! Hummmm…

As others have said, and I have said numerous times on other threads, the cost of a foal has nothing to do with its eventual value.

And as I have said, many times - that Im talking about the top of the top quality ones, please read some of the other posts, Im tried of repeating myself.

As far as not being able to compare costs between WBs and other breeds, last time I checked my vet charged me the same price for working with my apps as he does my friend for her WBs and my hay and grain cost the same, too.

I was not comparing costs. Others came on to start comparing. I did compare market study based upon OUR warmblood market, but that was it. Supply and demand drives a lot of the market and if you have a super bred horse out there with potential, its not hard to sell.

[Graymaresrule]

oh BTW, check your website

2002, grey Oldenburg mare out of Forhwind out of a TB mare approved Olden/NA

She stands 16h tall and is of med bone and will mare to large body

[STF]

Another lovely one, lovely bred and eligible Elite. Love her too!
http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=426381&search_id=b1473536-54f9-4d23-9705-08b6afb016fa&p=8

[STF]

Lovely!
http://www.equine.com/Horses/ad_details.aspx?lid=416642&search_id=b1473536-54f9-4d23-9705-08b6afb016fa&p=8

[STF]

@carolprudm;2610556

2002, grey Oldenburg mare out of Forhwind out of a TB mare approved Olden/NA

She stands 16h tall and is of med bone and will mare to large body

And???
She belongs to a friend of mine who is actually here on CoTH. Watch out, she is meaner than I am! LOL

PS - she is not breed stock, she is a riding horse. She is for sale to be sold. :lol:

[appaloosalady]

@STF;2610546

And as I have said, many times - that Im talking about the top of the top quality ones, please read some of the other posts, Im tried of repeating myself.

Actually, I mucked my way through the entire 17 pages before posting. Your OP just struck me as having a different meaning than you have claimed throughout other posts. I don’t have a problem with anybody selling any foal for any price - it is worth what someone is willing to pay. My problem is with someone saying “look how much this foal cost me to get on the ground - that is why he is priced the way he is” which is what your OP said, whether you meant it that way or not.

[Auventera_Two]

I’m really confused about the whole purpose of this thread. Your original post shows a cost model that you created based upon your costs in your geographic location, stemming from your horse management practices, but then you say this thread has nothing to do with you, but all the OTHER WB breeders out there.

Hmmmm.

What grain and hay costs you could be totally different than what it costs me. I live in the heart of the midwest where I can get good grass and alfalfa hay ranging from 1.00-2.50 per 40 pound square bale. Others in the south or on the coasts may pay 8 or 10 dollars for that very same bale. Same with grain crops. A bag of Nutrena XTN costs my mother in TN $17 per bag. It costs me $13.

You might stall the mares 12 hours a day and require tons of shavings, while I might leave them in the field and use no shavings.

Each state’s taxes are different. Farrier costs are different. So I guess I’m confused on how you can quantify everyone else’s equine costs when there is so much variability based on demographics. I’m not trying to be ugly, as I think you probably do have a valid point, but I’m just confused on exactly where you’re coming from and where you’re trying to get.