thoughts after returning from WEGs

Well rats!

Peggy said:

Also went to Centre College and Univ of KY since my traveling companion does college counseling.

Well rats! I work at Centre and would have loved to have shown you guys around. OF course, I was probably at WEG. :lol:

Glad you had a good time Horseymama! Actually the downtown festival is not associated with the WEG at all. It’s put on by a different group just to coincide with the WEG. Same with the Georgetown festival.

p3ac30ut: I worked cross-country and then went yesterday to shop. Didn’t have any luck unfortunately.

WEG fans - Keeneland Opening Day Friday 10/8.

It’s great to see all the positive comments about Kentucky :slight_smile: For those of you new to the area, please try to get over to Keeneland this weekend for opening day of Fall Meet. It is a gorgeous track with a great atmosphere. Some of the Seabiscuit movie was filmed here. General admission is only $5.00…five dollars. Drinks and snacks are reasonable too.

I’ve been here since Monday, have both a tip of the hat and a wag of the finger for various things.

A tip of the hat to the grounds, the competitors (except Mario Deslauriers who rode like an idiot) and the general venue. Shopping was pretty good, my daughter had a lesson with Jane Savoi on the Equicizer (and was told that there was’nt anything to fix!) and the volunteers were all happy and cheerful. Also the Lextran system which only cost $1.00, we didn’t have to wait but a few minutes to get on a bus and didn’t have to pay to park!

A wag of the finger to the official merchandise stand who sold just about everything the first week so there wasn’t much left for the jumper crowd, and the price of food and lack of variety for a captive audience. One of my biggest complaints was the lack of control for seating in the grandstand; I am glad that people are there BUT we paid the top dollar for top seats and there was absolutely NO control by the volunteers to check anyone for tickets; about 75% of the people sitting around us came down from the upper levels, which made me feel that I probably wasn’t very smart to buy the more expensive seats. Even at the team final last night there were groups that simply moved from vacant seat to vacant seat without any tickets for those seats.

But overall we are having a great time!

SLP - FYI if the “seat changers” were from the same section but higher, their tickets were the same price as yours. I paid premium price for my tickets, but moved down four rows since half the covered stadium was empty. I would have certainly moved it the actual ticket holders showed up, but I imagine they also went for better seats.

Anyway…I spent 5 days at WEG and found it an enjoyable experitnce. The volunteers and WEG employees were friendly and helpful. The hotel shuttle (at least Route 9 from Georgetown) was the best $5 a day I have ever spent! We were whisked from our hotel to the Horse Park in 10 minutes. The walk from the bus drop off to the stadium was easy. If you have ever been to the park previously, then you would realize that that is the closest parking available to the stadium. The Horse Park is immense, so of course it is a walk everywhere, but certainly not overwhelming.

The food wasn’t any more expensive than food at other professional sport venues (same prices as NFL concession prices). I found the hamburger and bbq pork sandwiches pretty tasty! AND I was amazed at how fast the line moved from picking up your food to paying for your food on the way out of the food tent. There were at least 30-40 cashiers!

I never used the porta potties because I used the bathrooms in the stadium AND they were clean!

All and all, I found WEG very organized and well run! My only gripe was the hotel prices. If the prices had been lower, I’m sure that the stands would have been full with more Americans. I felt that there were more people from Europe than from North America. Luckily, our seats were among some Australians - what a fun group of people! I ended up whooping for Chris Chugg after his rounds - he was such a character with his canter pirouettes at each side of the ring.

I, for one, have no regrets for the amount of money I spent for my tickets, hotel, food, etc… since it was such a wonderful experience!

In the 3 days / 6 events that we have attended I haven’t once had my actual ticket checked to see if I was in the right section / row, etc. and we actually had friends that came down from waaaaay up top to sit down where we were…there was no seat control at all. Maybe having volunteers for that job wasn’t such a good idea. BUT that said, I agree with everything else you said, we are having a fantastic time and are so glad that we are here! And the people from Kentucky are all really working hard to make sure that their guests are having a great time in their wonderful state!

who cares – if there are empty seats why can’t people move down to fill them? I bought tix as soon as they went on sale through USEF and paid full freight…only to find that I was in the LAST row in the covered stadium…which had an amazingly cold wind blowing up the back of your neck…better even one row down…so I am supposed to stay up there when there were hundreds of empty seats below me??? Who am I harming by sitting in those seats???
Get over it.

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Peggy said:

Well rats! I work at Centre and would have loved to have shown you guys around. OF course, I was probably at WEG. :lol:

Glad you had a good time Horseymama! Actually the downtown festival is not associated with the WEG at all. It’s put on by a different group just to coincide with the WEG. Same with the Georgetown festival.

p3ac30ut: I worked cross-country and then went yesterday to shop. Didn’t have any luck unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
We were there on Thursday, about 1 pm. Met with someone involved with Study Abroad, saw the video they show to prospective students, and got an excellent tour from a wonderful student guide. Loved the campus and the people.

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I’ve been here since Monday, have both a tip of the hat and a wag of the finger for various things.

A tip of the hat to the grounds, the competitors (except Mario Deslauriers who rode like an idiot) and the general venue. Shopping was pretty good, my daughter had a lesson with Jane Savoi on the Equicizer (and was told that there was’nt anything to fix!) and the volunteers were all happy and cheerful. Also the Lextran system which only cost $1.00, we didn’t have to wait but a few minutes to get on a bus and didn’t have to pay to park!

A wag of the finger to the official merchandise stand who sold just about everything the first week so there wasn’t much left for the jumper crowd, and the price of food and lack of variety for a captive audience. One of my biggest complaints was the lack of control for seating in the grandstand; I am glad that people are there BUT we paid the top dollar for top seats and there was absolutely NO control by the volunteers to check anyone for tickets; about 75% of the people sitting around us came down from the upper levels, which made me feel that I probably wasn’t very smart to buy the more expensive seats. Even at the team final last night there were groups that simply moved from vacant seat to vacant seat without any tickets for those seats.

But overall we are having a great time![/QUOTE]

They should’ve hired security from Yankee Stadium. You can’t get anywhere near the barrier.

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I’ve been here since Monday, have both a tip of the hat and a wag of the finger for various things.

A tip of the hat to the grounds, the competitors (except Mario Deslauriers who rode like an idiot)[/QUOTE]

Whoa, wait a minute! I don’t think he “rode like an idiot!” That triple bar was at least 1.60m and that wide, too. There were no “idiot” riders in the entire competition, I don’t think you get there by “riding like an idiot!” Who knows what happened, it looked like his horse peeked at the triple bar, because it was a water jump the day before, and he stuck off the ground. Which screwed up the 4 stride after that. Then the horse got a little nervous, understandable. It was too bad, but in no way warrants accusing one of the best riders in the world of “riding like an idiot.” Wow.

Sorry I missed you!

Peggy said:

We were there on Thursday, about 1 pm. Met with someone involved with Study Abroad, saw the video they show to prospective students, and got an excellent tour from a wonderful student guide. Loved the campus and the people.

Glad you enjoyed it! I was at the International Equestrian Festival at the time but you were in my building if you went to study abroad. :lol: Next time let me know and I’ll see if there is any glass blowing going on. :smiley:

To me, it’s better for the cameras if more people come to fill in the empty seats … if the bleachers were as full as Yankee stadium, then it would make sense to have security guarding the barriers.

The sport is younger than the baseball, basketball and football, and it has a ways to go to find a real audience in America. I think supporters who bought early tickets should be proud of contributing to the atmosphere and their sport.

Now, if others are taking YOUR paid seats, then yes that is a big problem of course! But having others enjoy a view isn’t really detracting from your experience, and probably helps the sport grow too.

wonderful time with a few disappointments

we had a great time. staff and volunteers were so helpful and nice and plentiful.

biggest disappointment was the food. it was essentially one big homoenized tent completely devoid of character. I get that you need to have that kind of setup to handle the volume of people at times, but supplement that with LOCAL purveyors, restaurants, farmers, cheese makers, bakeries, fruit vendors, etc., that reflect some local american/kentucky flavor. much more interesting than a benign, bland, assortment of offerings. a missed opportunity to show off some GOOD american food. Kentucky has GOT to have more happening in the food realm than burgers, burritos and Papa John’s.

the area with picnic tables for eating was dismal and packed. this needed to be larger and more beautiful. really grim and not enuf room.

we were there for the eventing and i didn’t even know about the Equine Village until i read about it on the plane going HOME. ok, stupid me for not reading the program earlier (it’s a couple of hundred pages) but the signage for that was TERRIBLE. i had no idea there were three arenas and lots of vendors over there with demos and lectures going on all day.

almost MISSED the beer garden - a lovely outdoor courtyard area only accessible via the Alltech Experience. now this is a good place to take your food and sit down to eat.

kentucky has the hottest 72 degree days and the coldest 55 degree days. the stadium arena-side seating area is a FRYING PAN. no breeze down there at all. 72 degrees and sunny down there feels like 120 degree oven.

audio in the main stadium was HORRIBLE. i could not understand or hear the announcer most of the time. could hear nothing in there on XC day. which was a bummer because it was nice to watch XC on the jumbo tron for a rest. kicking myself for not getting the headphones and tuning into WEG radio.

SHUTTLES were awesome.

Shorts/Hotels were a ripoff.

hope everyone has a great time. i sure wish i’d made plans to stay a few more days.

Sorry you missed the equine village! It had the best bathrooms :slight_smile: Truthfully, there was lots of good stuff over there (including a booth for the Akhal-Teke that I helped with) as well as the normal attractions of the park - the International Museum of the Horse, The Saddlebred museum, the Hall of Champions, the Driving Barn, etc. – so many things, in fact, that I could not take all of it in even in ten days of crusing through. Some of the clinicians, who are used to being the main attraction, not a sideline, were a bit upset with the lack of traffic over there and tried to negotiate for space in the Trade show area (where the booths cost twice as much) – they did get signs over there announcing their demos. Once the dressage started and the numbers of visitors climbed, there was very little down time.

The first few days, we were really wishing for better maps and a catalog ourselves. However, the response from those who did find their way over was great - riders from all nations, some there to compete, some to cheer, and many who had heard of the breed or knew someone who owned one, some who had even ridden an Akhal-Teke. Sometimes there were waves of people and I was mostly just able to hand out booklets, other times you could have real give-and-take conversations - we even met folks who had Tarpans - and rode them. The school kids who were coming through on the weekdays loved getting a free postcard and learning about a new breed. There is actually one at the Horse Park, and the woman who rides him in their breed exhibitions came over to say how much she loves working with him him. For the breeders who invested so much to be there, usually this number of conversations about your horses take place over years, if you are lucky. I don’t know that it contributes directly to sales, but if you haven’t heard of a breed, how can you covet them?

So I got to see the games from three perspectives - as a friend of a “vendor,” as “media” for endurance, and as a dressage and eventing fan. I felt like the woman who turned to me and sighed. “I’d like to ride that… just once in my life would be enough.” It was Fuego XII’s piaffe she was referring to, I believe. This is stuff we just don’t get in Western Washington very often.

The volunteers were all extraordinarily friendly – not just the ones I knew already because they too had trekked out from Seattle to be there. In the early morning, there was more time for conversation and I enjoyed meeting some of the Kentucky folks who were taking their reputation for hospitality seriously.

Of course there were plenty of logistical rough spots - we noticed better signage, transportation for the reining fans who had to go such a huge distance from the entrance, and all kinds of other improvements as the games went on. The sheer size of the park made it hard, but the flip side that there were so many vantage points that even those who could not afford the event ticket prices got to see a flavor of everything.

I had such a fantastic time. I’m still a bit adrift from it (flew back Tues). sigh

I found the host state/volunteer/workers to be amazingly friendly. It was really awesome. Loved Keenland and Woodford Reserve.

Really, my only big complaint was the food. I get the premium prices. I just was disappointed with the options. Would have been nice to have something besides greasy stadium fare or cold meat sandwiches. I wish they would have let local vendors in. They could have done a neat “Taste of KY” type experience, they certainly had the room.

It is one thing to go to a ball game and have those food options, but totally another to have to eat the same thing 4 days in a row, etc. Not enough seating at lunch time either. I also think from a money-standpoint think they could have made a mint by having some coffee/hot chocolate stands scattered around the xc course. We sent a friend off for coffee and I didn’t see her for a half hour and it was ice cold.

The portapotties did get really gross.

Alll in all it was a great experience however.

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I had such a fantastic time. I’m still a bit adrift from it (flew back Tues). sigh

I found the host state/volunteer/workers to be amazingly friendly. It was really awesome. Loved Keenland and Woodford Reserve.

Really, my only big complaint was the food. I get the premium prices. I just was disappointed with the options. Would have been nice to have something besides greasy stadium fare or cold meat sandwiches. I wish they would have let local vendors in. They could have done a neat “Taste of KY” type experience, they certainly had the room.

It is one thing to go to a ball game and have those food options, but totally another to have to eat the same thing 4 days in a row, etc. Not enough seating at lunch time either. I also think from a money-standpoint think they could have made a mint by having some coffee/hot chocolate stands scattered around the xc course. We sent a friend off for coffee and I didn’t see her for a half hour and it was ice cold.

The portapotties did get really gross.

Alll in all it was a great experience however.[/QUOTE]

The flip side and probably the reason there was 1 selected food vendor is the…FBI background checks. Every single volunteer, vendor, etc had background checks done. It is a whole lot easier using one large food vendor then having a ton of small vendor. Logistically there only needed to be one food service truck coming in daily with supplies instead of multiples.

I keep seeing/hearing complaints on the food and people saying that Rolex it’s better…people seem to forgot that this a WORLD event…i.e. a lot tighter security than Rolex…both beforehand and during.

I think by Thursday 10/7 they’d ironed out a few wrinkles. The problem with an event like this is they just didn’t have a way to have a real dress rehearsal - this was it.
Supposedly the KHP is large enough to fit Epcot, the Magic Kingdom and one of the other ones with plenty of room left over. That means in order to do it justice you’d need three days, and between Lexington going whole hog downtown and the Alltech Fortnight Festival across the state - the Vienna Philharmonic Symphony I guess it was, played at Centre College.
In Danville.
Which is sort of an out of the way little town. A great coup for the music director and absolutely fantastic to have them here. Bt that meant that you could conceivably spend a whole week around the state plus WEG.

Anyway it’s almost over and I’m glad everyone had a good time and hope they keep having a good time until the very last minute. I had to bribe my boss to go easy on me as I was two hours late to work after the vaulting, so that meant running like crazy at work after walking through the KHP and my feet STILL hurt today. And that’s OK.

Just returned from WEG and thought it was overall a really great experience! I agree that the “official” merchandise was sadly very picked over by the time jumper week rolled around, but that was just a minor blip for the whole trip. We stayed in Frankfort (cheap, cheap, cheap) and the weather was so perfect that the drive each day was actually nice. We got up early and went to Keeneland, which was definitely a high-light of the trip. Somehow my husband and I were awesome at wandering around aimlessly and ending up in places off the beaten path. One day we ended up with a bunch of the jumper riders and their families from all over the world and it was really a blast to just hang out and “absorb” everything. Also spotted George Morris in the stadium and “stalked/followed” him around for a while. Did LOTS of shopping, met up with some COTH friends I hadn’t met in person before and all-in-all had a really perfect trip. I thought things were really well organized at the park, the food/parking/etc were pretty much what I expect from any large sporting event and I would do the whole thing again in a heartbeat. Hats off to the volunteers who were awesome!

Sorry 'bout the porta potties… they wouldn’t let the guys pump except for once a day- in the evening when it was over, because of the traffic and security. They finally ordered more units to help accommodate the crowd, but still not enough due to budget.

Our WEG eventing experience was rather awesome, the highlight of which was getting a golf cart lift from Mark Phillips from the Dressage area to the start of cross country to catch Jimmy Wofford’s tour…closely followed by David O’Connor who like everyone else who saw us was saying “Who are those tacky people with CMP?” :slight_smile:
Our only complaint was with the Midway station / Shorts Travel trailer accomodation…this was a total rip off from the get go. They had originally set up a trailer stay at a horse farm which suckered everyone in. They never had permits for that, so they re-arranged deal with a trailer set up in a field at Midway Station for $350 less. We said okay(like we had a choice at that point).
Our plans were shortened by our daughter finally landing a teaching job, so we notified them we would be arriving a day later than booked and leaving a day earlier. We were told no refund unless the trailer could be rented for those days. We arrived at 4am(after repeated notification/assurances to and from Shorts) and there was no trailer! We spent the entire Friday morning at Midway(useless dressage tickets in hand) locating the people to find us a trailer. We were assured a refund. Upon returning home, I discovered our credit card was charged the full original amount, not $350 less. Shorts also simply said that we should apply to the trailer park organizer for any funds as they weren’t involved. I would say I got what I deserved if I had negotiated this with some flybynight outfit but Shorts is/was the Official accomodation outfit for WEG. And they were the people I paid, not the Midway trailer park.
I am asking if any other COTHer’s had a similar experience and what route I should now take to get my money back.

If you paid by credit card, you may have some recourse. Contact your card-issuer and initiate a charge-back. Be ready to supply any documentation you can find, including e-mails. In these cases, the cards are stacked for the BUYER, not the VENDOR.

I also found Shorts to be a total rip-off! I haven’t checked yet whether the hotel charged our credit card for the nights we tried to cancel. They refused to cancel, said we had to cancel with Shorts … who said we had to cancel with the hotel. I found the written paperwork from Shorts that said you had to cancel with the hotel directly, and then told the hotel manager that if he charged my card (thankfully, it’s AMEX), I would just charge back and that I would win because I had the written paperwork – which I then faxed to the hotel.

If they charged my cc, I have no doubt whatsoever that I will get the charge-back against them. As a business owner, I accept credit card payments, and I am very familiar with how the charge-back system works. As I said, the cards are stacked in favor of the buyer, and anything in writing will prevail. Also, the cc companies immediately take the funds from the merchant and hold them until the matter is resolved.