Tips on How to Sit Through a Buck?

[QUOTE=atr;7956764]
Sit up, sit back, and yank that head up while you swear colorfully at the miserable beast, then keep on doing whatever it was that you were doing, or a modified form thereof (that’s that hard part…)[/QUOTE]

Thanks, atr!

I think part of it is I need to get my confidence back so I can start taking charge properly again. Getting together with a good instructor will help.

Hey, at least I’m still willing to get on and WTC. Considering where I started two years ago that’s HUGE.

Seriously, I refuse to be one of these people who lets one bad experience keep them from riding. I can see how it can happen (oh brother, can I see it!), but I just won’t let myself “go there.”

VERY encouraging advice, Aliceo. (Is there nothing Dessage CAN’T fix? LOL)

Thank you!

[QUOTE=beowulf;7956790]
if you want to practice, i have one you can practice on :wink: hehehe[/QUOTE]

No thanks! :eek:

In addition to the excellent advice above, wear full seat breeches. In the days when I was riding a hot, frisky young mare in the winter with snow sliding off the indoor roof, I found that knee patch breeches and a slick saddle were a bad combination.

[QUOTE=Gidget;7956752]
I remember yelling, “Sh&t, sh&t, sh&t!!!” Does that count? :D[/QUOTE]

Yep, same thing! That’s the horseman’s prayer!

To go with the full seat britches, a clean and well oiled saddle.

Heels down, legs on, hands up and never look down. I used to have an awful bucker and learned to sit it with this mantra.

Full seats help THAT much? Wow, I had no idea. Well, they certainly can’t hurt…and I could use all the help I can get at this point.

Thanks, guys! :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Justmyluck;7957267]
Heels down, legs on, hands up and never look down. I used to have an awful bucker and learned to sit it with this mantra.[/QUOTE]

I like that mantra. It goes along with your signature “tag line,” which I like even better! :smiley:

The problem is riding the leap then riding the buck. The (correct) tendency is to shift forward to follow the leap but still getting the shoulders back for the buck that follows.

The head tends to plunge down in the leap phase which drags your shoulders ahead, you may actually need to slip the reins to be able to get your shoulders back so that you can yank the SOB’s head up.

Oh yeah, and of course don’t stare down the neck of doom plus full seats can be your saviour. The extra half second of stick can make a massive difference.

Not that any of this is from personal experience or anything … esp the staring down the neck of doom realizing a) 'm looking in the wrong f’ing direction b) I am VERY high up and c) if I don’t stick it, its gonna hurt like a mofo. (while the aforementioned horseman’s prayer spews forth at high speed) :winkgrin:

[QUOTE=Gidget;7957294]
Full seats help THAT much? Wow, I had no idea. Well, they certainly can’t hurt…and I could use all the help I can get at this point.

Thanks, guys! :)[/QUOTE]

Equissentials deerskin breeches are your friend. They’ve saved my butt more than once in an unexpected broncitybroncbronc moment. Deerskin plus a tiny bit of Gutersitz at the top of the boot and at the lower thigh (not the knee) is the next best thing to a seatbelt

I don’t know if this helps or not, but on the rare occasion one of my horses goes to bucking, it Pisses. Me. Off.

So I’m thinking naughty names in my head :yes: and vowing to myself that the horse is NOT going to get me off because I am way too pissed right now and they are gonna get it when I get this under control again.

Seems to work for me anyway, haha.

Point being, make sure you are also THINKING that you are not going to fall off. The instant you doubt yourself and think you are going to hit the dirt … then usually you will.

Watch George Morris. Almost 77 years old and still sitting the bucking horses like the pro that he is. (Although he calls that one “light in the croup.”)
http://www.chronofhorse.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery-image/GMC_George_DSC_6247.jpg

You can go to the USEF network and watch the whole session for free if you need a good visual and instruction. This was Day 1 Group 1.
He gets on at around 45 minutes in, but do yourself a favor and watch the whole thing.
http://www.usefnetwork.com/featured/2015GMHTS/

[QUOTE=GoForAGallop;7956594]
Same thing your instructor yelled at you when you were seven and riding naughty ponies.

“SIT UP, SIT UP, SIT UP!”

Followed by:

“GET HIS HEAD UP!” (And this can and SHOULD be done quite firmly, as horse is being an ass.)

And finally:

“CIRCLE!”

If horse is trying to combine some bolting with the bucking. Substitute or add in “FORWARD!”, as well.[/QUOTE]

This…I experienced my just turned 5 year old doing this last night…out of the blue and wowzers! Not sure how I stayed on but I did and just remember trainer shouting the above as it was happening (and his head was down loooooow LOL…I’m sure it will happen again, ah the joys of the fluckin’ fives!!!

[QUOTE=beau159;7957351]
…Point being, make sure you are also THINKING that you are not going to fall off. The instant you doubt yourself and think you are going to hit the dirt … then usually you will.[/QUOTE]

I’m a HUGE believer in mind over matter too, Beau. Unfortunately, it happened so fast I got knocked off of my gravity line before I even knew what was happening. You know that point where you get so far away from it you just KNOW there ain’t no gettin’ it back?

Actually, I probably did the stupidest thing EVER at that point. (Could this be my first “COTH True Confession???”) Instead of bailing, or allowing myself to come off naturally, I decided to throw myself around the horse’s neck in order to stay on. I figured I could just hang out there until she eventually wore herself out.

I felt really secure until I remembered I was in an open arena and she could go wherever she wanted to. (DUH!!!) Once I realized she was heading towards the barn, I decided to slide down her offside onto the ground. I honestly don’t even know how I came off exactly, I just knew that I had to or things were going to get worse.

Then she ran over the top of me.

I swear, it was a MIRACLE she didn’t crush me. The only thing I can attribute it to is she must have made a concerted effort not to. I remember lying there in the fetal position feeling hooves & legs smacking me as she went over and all I could think of was, “I’m getting trampled by a horse right now…and it’s not that bad.”

Definitely not one of my finer moments. :o

[QUOTE=BEARCAT;7957428]
Watch George Morris. Almost 77 years old and still sitting the bucking horses like the pro that he is. (Although he calls that one “light in the croup.”)
http://www.chronofhorse.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery-image/GMC_George_DSC_6247.jpg

You can go to the USEF network and watch the whole session for free if you need a good visual and instruction. This was Day 1 Group 1.
He gets on at around 45 minutes in, but do yourself a favor and watch the whole thing.
http://www.usefnetwork.com/featured/2015GMHTS/[/QUOTE]

George Morris is my IDOL…and I’m not even a jumper!

Thanks for the links, Bearcat. I’ll be checking out that video as soon as I get a break.

[QUOTE=eclipse;7957533]
This…I experienced my just turned 5 year old doing this last night…out of the blue and wowzers! Not sure how I stayed on but I did and just remember trainer shouting the above as it was happening (and his head was down loooooow LOL…I’m sure it will happen again, ah the joys of the fluckin’ fives!!![/QUOTE]

YIKES!!!

Well, at least you did it. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=Synthesis;7957313]
The problem is riding the leap then riding the buck. The (correct) tendency is to shift forward to follow the leap but still getting the shoulders back for the buck that follows.

The head tends to plunge down in the leap phase which drags your shoulders ahead, you may actually need to slip the reins to be able to get your shoulders back so that you can yank the SOB’s head up.

Oh yeah, and of course don’t stare down the neck of doom plus full seats can be your saviour. The extra half second of stick can make a massive difference.

Not that any of this is from personal experience or anything … esp the staring down the neck of doom realizing a) 'm looking in the wrong f’ing direction b) I am VERY high up and c) if I don’t stick it, its gonna hurt like a mofo. (while the aforementioned horseman’s prayer spews forth at high speed) :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

Good detailed advice, Synthesis. Thanks!

[QUOTE=aliceo;7956789]
my trainer, who can ride out just about anything, said dressage training was the best training for riding out a buck.

also, drop your shoulder blades into your rear pockets, keep your eyes forward, head over your shoulders, drop yourself deep into the saddle, and do a lateral bend on the horse’s neck.

i practice lateral bends from the ground and always in the saddle to make sure i’ve got that tool when i need it. also practice on the ground and in the saddle disengaging the hq, so that when they start to run away with you you can control their feet.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I practice the single rein stop in the version which isn’t unbalancing your horse so it may fall over on you so that it’s there in my mind if I need to stop a bolt. I consider myself a bit of an expert at riding through bucks because my reaction to the video MM posted was “but that horse doesn’t even buck that hard!” I’ve learned out of necessity, and absolutely dressage training is THE best way to get through it. Pushing forward is usually the best answer if you are able to, and the one which will help stop bucking overall, because especially in a dressage horse bucking most often comes from a horse being behind the leg.

[QUOTE=beau159;7957351]I don’t know if this helps or not, but on the rare occasion one of my horses goes to bucking, it Pisses. Me. Off.

So I’m thinking naughty names in my head :yes: and vowing to myself that the horse is NOT going to get me off because I am way too pissed right now and they are gonna get it when I get this under control again.

Seems to work for me anyway, haha.

Point being, make sure you are also THINKING that you are not going to fall off. The instant you doubt yourself and think you are going to hit the dirt … then usually you will.[/QUOTE]

My trainer used to make me swear out loud because he knew it got me in the mental place to be strong, and be the rider I can instead of the curled up fetal position I mentally wanted to go to otherwise.

It takes a LOT of core use to stay on. If your horse isn’t one who comes up in front after the buck, even leaning back is acceptable - the key is to not let your horse throw you forward at all. I also most definitely don’t hold on with strength of legs. That George picture is a GREAT one for buck-riding technique. Even though he has jumper length stirrups, his seat/pelvis is in classical dressage position. It is the position most suited to absorbing the horse’s movement while keeping your butt in the saddle. And while many people want to get into two point, my preferred method is actually keeping my butt attached to the saddle.

I’ve never been lucky enough that my horse chose to have an aerial day while I was in full seats, though I’m lucky that he’s rarely dirty about it, so I knew when I got on what I was in for each time.

As a dressage rider, I assume you know how to use your seat to ask your horse to go forward into a medium/engage more behind/push itself forward? That’s basically the same method of core use you use, only get stronger with it, to push a horse forward out of a buck. The really GOOD riders can very often prevent bucks by doing the same. I’m not that good yet, but my goal now that I can ride through and stop bucks is to learn to prevent them from happening in the first place. There are definite phases - the “stay on, somehow!” phase, then the “survived without too much trouble!” phase, then the “wow, I was able to stop that bucking spree in the middle of the first buck!” phase. I’m still working toward “I prevented that bucking spree from ever happening!” phase…

Regardless, I am 5’1", my TB is a HUGE bucker so even my trainer who is the go to guy for people with problem horses is impressed by the stuff he throws, and he’s also really too large a horse for me in an ideal world. I’m late 30s and not as fit as I want to be, and on stunning athlete. If I can learn to do it, so can you, I promise!

[QUOTE=beau159;7957351]
I don’t know if this helps or not, but on the rare occasion one of my horses goes to bucking, it Pisses. Me. Off.

So I’m thinking naughty names in my head :[/QUOTE]

I agree - but for me, calling him REALLY bad names out loud helps even more. I know I am setting a bad example for the kids but everyone is usually so impressed with my rodeo bull that they forget to yell at me.