Having just learned about him, I did a little searching, but can’t find too much on him. He seems to be a very nice boy. Does anyone know how he does at producing Hunter-type foals, particularly out of very a very hunter-type TB mare?
What does he tend to produce as far as the back, hiney, leg correctness, and neck?
He is about 5 miles away from me. He is a awesome looking boy! I saw him about 2-3 weeks ago. Call the farm and talk to them, they are super nice people and will help you. If you don’t have the contact number, PM me and I can get it to you! Good Luck!
I have seen several foals o/o TB mares: super nice hunter types w/ a nice elastic stride. A few years ago I tried to buy one KW filly o/o a TB mare I saw but she had just sold. I can’t remember specifics on KW…that was back when his previous owner had him and the dude didn’t want to send me a video…said I had to come see him myself. I had wanted to look at him for my mares when I missed out on the filly but found the SO to be unhelpful back then. It has been a while since he was sold though.
Windswept, I wanted to hear from unbiased sources first 
Camohn, thanks for the info :yes::yes:
we were very interested in using him a few years ago for our hunter types. but he was not available to do ‘australian collection’. We narrowed it down to two in all of USA, he was one and the other is now in NZ. (so easier to use.)… It was the consistent ‘improvment’ that he does on the mares that was intriguing to us, and the fact that he was homozygous toby, but not homozygous black!!(yes… i do breed also for colour!)
Oh belambi, please elaborate on “consistent improvement”! 
pretty please?
Yes, I am largely attracted to him, second to his type, by his ToTo status. I’d prefer to not have a chestnut, but I’ll take a Toto chestnut foal over a toto non-chestnut given the choice :winkgrin:
If it’s the KWD I am thinking of I have seen him in person, while he was on his pervious owners farm in NY, not too far from me. I know someone who had 2 colts-full brothers o/o a Dutch mare. I think the stallion was in Maine before he came to NY.
One colt sadly died (field accident), the other as far as I know is alive and doing well. I believe he would be around 5 now. I think that he is in NH, possibly doing hunters.
Honestly, the previous owner of this stallion was a man who had too much money and not a lick of horse sense-I will leave it at that. I am glad to hear the stallion is in a better place.
LOL, I agree. I will say if I thought he was a plug, I would have called a spade and spade. I honestly would breed one to him if he were taller. So there is some bias I can’t help being a little biased in this economy, all the shipping and collection fees get pricey when you have a field full of momma’s looking for a boyfriend, so a nice stallion that is close to home gets a closer look.
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Windswept, I wanted to hear from unbiased sources first
Camohn, thanks for the info :yes::yes:[/QUOTE]
Yep, if re-sale was an issue, height might be a consideration. My first horse was a large-boned TB at 16.2 1320lb (so rode a lot bigger than “just” 16.2), and my current WB gelding is 17h. I’m used to a big horse, though really don’t want another 17h-er LOL My mare is 16.1-ish (I think she actually measures 16.2, but she’s got really tall withers, so I don’t think it’s fair that way). I would be perfectly fine with low 16h, or even 15.3 I think. She’s a maiden, so I have no idea what her propensity is for. So, that would be a nice thing to know about “Doc”, if he has a preference for producing bigger or smaller or similar to his size.
I only saw APHA/QH babies out of him. I was never as impressed as I wanted to be–I really, really WANTED to use him on my big mare when he was still in ME, but never quite saw the loft or suspension passed on… and saw quite a few VERY high haunches. For dressage… both are problematic.
Temperament wise, I think they were really good kids. I don’t think MY experience is all that helpful, because I truly don’t think the quality of mare was there for SPORT babies. They were/are doing all sorts of other things out there in Southern ME/Coastal NH etc., but not dressage. Pretty much it was people with a solid mare looking for the guaranteed colour–a decade or so ago there were only two homozygous stallions really in the state… you know how that goes. :uhoh: His ME owners’ daughter uses quite a few of his kids in her therapeutic program.
Very nice bone, decent feet for a Paint ( 
) and a quite good neckset on the stallion.
I’d actually love to see what he did with TB or Sport mares. I ended up using more barqoue built APHA stallions (cutting/reining/working bred mostly)
JB, the two I know of were big horses, now with that being said, the mare, a Dutch mare who is my stallion’s dam too, is a 16.3 hand tank of a mare. My stallion, who is older by a number of years then the two colts I mentioned is 17 hands-different sire.
I think the one by KWD who is still alive is well into the 16 hand range.
I have three full siblings I put on the ground. Sire is 16 hands dam is 15.3 in a good day. Their first one is 15.3 (size of her mother and part of the first foal crop of the stallion, mare has had other foals). Second sibling another mare, is 16.2+ as a coming 5 year old. Third a colt, now gelding is 16.2 as a 4 year old and still growing.
My point is you may have the height factor that may come out regardless of KWD height.
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If it’s the KWD I am thinking of I have seen him in person, while he was on his pervious owners farm in NY, not too far from me. I know someone who had 2 colts-full brothers o/o a Dutch mare. I think the stallion was in Maine before he came to NY.
One colt sadly died (field accident), the other as far as I know is alive and doing well. I believe he would be around 5 now. I think that he is in NH, possibly doing hunters.
Honestly, the previous owner of this stallion was a man who had too much money and not a lick of horse sense-I will leave it at that. I am glad to hear the stallion is in a better place.[/QUOTE]
Yup…the horse was in NY when I spoke to Unhelpful Dude.
Where is KWD now?
I own a registered APHA mare 15.3 h out of KWD; she definitely has both her sire’s confirmation and markings; her dam was half TB out of the Man O’ War War Admiral line; “Doc” was indeed in Maine (where he sired my mare; she is currently in NW Florida and being bred there), then in NY, and finally–last I heard–at Benbar Farms in Indiana; the website is now defunct and I am wondering where KWD now is; I have heard that one of his offspring is producing well, a stallion named King’s Witchblade has apparently achieved some relatively decent sport horses of the hunter jumper/warmblood type (which is not my area of expertise though I was brought up around such horses in Switzerland; I owned two “Hannoveraner” as a child). KWD definitely passes on, from what I have seen, if nothing else, excellent temperament and gorgeous flashy color to his offspring. But also, from what I understand, my mare looks and moves exactly like him, and its a beautiful thing to see. I don’t know if he is able to “improve” any and every mare; but I think he does not drag a good mare’s qualities down and easily adds a touch of his own not entirely undesirable characteristics! I agree that it appears he has been bred to all sorts of mares for color only, so what he can do for serious, competitive hunter-jumper type TB or Warmblood mares is not always made clear by the sight of such offspring, but that may very well be deceiving. He has an exceptional number of impressive Foundation QH and TB (1/4) in his bloodlines, and clearly offers more than mere color. Would love to know where he is. And let me know what you think of any hunter jumper type sport horse offspring of his you may find; I would be interested to know what he can produce.
“Doc” is still at BenBar farm in Lebanon, Ind.
Thank You Flyingleadchange
That’s really good news; I tried to contact them though and the e-mail I was able to Google for them bounced; does anyone know how to get in touch with them? They used to have a nice website but I cannot find it…Thanks!!!
kings witchblade
I am the current owner of kings witchblade. If you still have questions in regards to him or his progeny please feel free to contact me.
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I am the current owner of kings witchblade. If you still have questions in regards to him or his progeny please feel free to contact me.[/QUOTE]
the inquiry was about Kings Witchdoctor. I take it you have a son?
I have a daughter of Kings Witchdoctor …and I have to agree, I wasn’t as impressed as I thought I would be, but she is out of a Paint mare.
I was hoping to add some size and color to my breeding program, and while she is a big bodied mare, she didn’t get near as big as I thought she might. But she does have a sweet disposition and is a pretty mover.
After I bought her to use on my senior stallion, a cropout APHA, I did find a jr stallion who is mostly QH/TB but also TOTO … so I can’t decide whether to keep her or not since I’m wanting to downsize on my mares so I can show more…
But I think KWD is like a lot of homozygous stallions, the color has to come from somewhere … so it usually works best to cross them back on TB’s or something more modern …otherwise you get the squatty stock horse, or the big plow horse type.
Yes, I own a son of Kings Witchdoctor. He is a homozygous black and white. He is very big boned and stands 16.2 hands. and weighs about 1300 lbs. He is exceptional to own. Very easy to handle easy to ride and very trust worthy. I have had 3 foals out of the same tb broodmare who is also 16.2 hands. The first foal is now 5 and stands 17.1 hands and still growing. He has been doing well HUS and is now competing in the greens with his new owners. Super show horses!!! I have a 3 yr old geld standing 16.1 now and his 2 yr old sister is the same height. All have been very flashy, great natured and super nice show horse prospects. I am trying to get them into the hands of high end competitors as they have a very high quality to them. As for Kings Witchdoctor babies other than my own i know nothing about them, but my stallion does crosses great with TB or warmblood mares. Hope that helps.
were the mares he was bred to TBs? The consensus so far seems to be KW did very well with TB mares and maybe not as well with APHA/stock type mares.
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