perhaps.
more than meets the eye for us lower level plebes though. The heady world of celebrity. I doubt it is as black and white as is presented.
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That’s about $2800 per month? Expensive board, but not unheard of for training board. Although if the horse were unsound I can’t see much training being done. Not that the barn would lower the board cost though, some might not.[/QUOTE]
If the horse had issues then time not spent in training was probably spent in “doctoring” the horse. Time is time and somebody had to be paid to do the additional labor the horse probably required.
G.
To discern no… to get to court , well the wheels of justice turn slowly.
Personally, I don’t think it matters if he got a PPE or not.
The horse is not just in need of maintenance, it has career ending issues! This isn’t ‘oh, you missed that touch of arthritis that will likely shorten the career of the horse’, this is ‘oh, right, unless you inject the horse to the nines so he cannot feel anything below the hocks, he can barely walk’.
I do also think it is wrong to presume that just because Tom Selleck has money, he is savvy about the horse buying prospect. This might be the first horse he bought on his own or the first real big grand prix level horse he bought, etc.
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I also gave the buyer bandages, wraps, liniment, hyaluron syringes, a bottle of bute, and other articles and mentioned them in the bill of sale.[/QUOTE]
If the new owner doesn’t have a prescription for bute from a licenced vet providing them with a prescription drug such as bute would be illegal in most places. Just sayin…
And regarding the comment in another post about “just get drugs from the internet” and there would be no record I say BULL. You can’t buy prescription drugs on the internet without providing a prescription from a licenced vet, MD or other medical professional with a valid DEA#.
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When selling a horse, you should be responsible for disclosing any known issues. It should not be up to the buyer to ferret them out.[/QUOTE]
Maybe seller didn’t know the horse was/was not suitable for what the buyer intended- maybe they only had a few minutes to asses him and ‘thought’ he looked suitable?
But that’s not the basis of this suit. The basis of this suit is failure to disclose known issues.
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Does anyone know why Tom Selleck needs a $150,000 horse?[/QUOTE]
Could be for Hannah — his daughter. BTW, Tom is one of the nicest guys, and a great DAD – he comes to all the shows and cheers his daughter on. 
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I think that you misunderstand- the Sellecks have their “pet” horses at home not their show horses. ;)[/QUOTE]
Selleck’s home and barn are just down the street from us in Thousand Oaks,
his daughter trains with Karen Healey - or has a few horses with Karen - her barn
is in the same area – Thousand Oaks - and yes, Tom does have his pet horses
at his home. And yes again, the prices at some of the A circuit barns in our area $$$$$ –
He won his case and that ends all issues ------ IMO
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wow, what are boarding prices in SoCal? $67,000 for 2 years board? [/QUOTE]
Even at a little-name show barn in Southern California, monthly expenses easily run $2k a month, not counting the expensive vet bills you’d have if you were trying to figure out why a six figure horse was suddenly very, very lame. And Karen Healey’s is a pretty big name barn.
Great sig line, except I spend my entire career in an evidence-based world.:lol:
Here’s one way people do it: One BO took vet’s license # off of coggins sheet. She then ordered drugs from internet. Drugs came to barn. She bragged about doing it. She has been doing it for years. Interestingly, the vet whose license # she uses would sell drugs to anyone, for any animal, without seeing the animal, except he would of course add a charge of about $20 to the bottle/vial. BO told me I should do it, duh, no way. All I had to do was ask that vet for drugs, pay for them, and he even delivered them to the barn when he was in the neighborhood. BO simply wanted cheaper drugs.
Now everyone knows what this BO is doing as she still brags about it, even though the vet is out of the country for a while (he still is licensed in this state). This vet would have sold the BO drugs “off the books” as he even sent people who worked for him, NOT vet techs, out on calls.
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Even at a little-name show barn in Southern California, monthly expenses easily run $2k a month, not counting the expensive vet bills you’d have if you were trying to figure out why a six figure horse was suddenly very, very lame. And Karen Healey’s is a pretty big name barn.[/QUOTE]
Show barns for H/J’s run about $1450 a month to $2400 a month. Give or take a hundred
or two — Karen’s barn in newly built. Her new facility is really lovely ( George Morris
holds a few clinics at her place) but then again,
it seems all the barns in Thousand Oaks are beautiful and
very pricey. There is no getting around it, 2K a month is not out of the ordinary.
Civil cases take forever to get to trial. Criminal defendants have the right to a speedy trial. Civil plaintiffs do not. Defendants in civil cases postpone trials as long as possible as witnesses disappear, forget the details, and sometimes die. It’s par for the course in civil cases. The first of the 9-11 cases will be tried next year in NYC. Civil defense lawyers try to deposition and interrogatory you to death, hoping you will settle or give up. And of course the jury doesn’t see the victims as they were at the time of the injury.
Wait, really? I thought the prescription was for the horse.
Wouldn’t having someone else give your horse prescribed meds for you be the same thing then?
If you sell a horse with Cushings, it’s illegal to send his meds with him? Or any other chronic disorder?
The 29 year old pony that he mentions in the article is my old large pony!!
Cool! Did his daughter show your pony? Great that they treat their old horses well. Zorro’s owner might take note.
I’m trying to bend my brain but I remember seeing Zorro back in 2006 - he was having
issues in most of his classes. Hannah was having a hell of a time with him and my
trainer said to Tom ringside – there’s something going on with this horse.
That’s sort of my rememberance of back in 2006 — I don’t recall ever seeing the horse
at shows after 2006 -----
I don’'t think Hannah had more than one horse named Zorro -----
Exactly, why not?
NO, it probably took 3 or 4 months to discern, a few more months of back and forth and well over a year waiting for a date in civil court…with either side able to postpone even then. Sometimes it takes longer then that.
Had to laugh…because if the buyer here had asked for the vet records on this horse from thre treating vet and received them, seller could have sued the vet…that is confidential information vets do not release without written permission.
Ummm…if this was some kid, everybody would be saying the seller screwed them, why does a fat checkbook mean it’s any different?
And I’d bet there was an extensive PPE done but the lab does not test the blood for every substance known to man, only those within the requested parameters. And repeatitive soft tissue injury, like a suspensory, is hard to see without extensive ultra sounds or more advanced diagnostics.
With that kind of money involved and a known celebrity? Owner must be brain dead to think that’ll fly. About time somebody had the time, money and legal assistance to haul some of these types to court. And win.
I think this is a fair judgement and a good precedent.
A few years ago when I was looking for a horse, way below the price range of Tom Selleck’s horse, I found a cute QH gelding and my daughter fell in love with him. The selling agent, who had a nice facility and billed herself as a top trainer in her state, guaranteed him sound and said she had the x rays to prove it which she would supply to the vet of my choice before the PPE.
So I set up the ppe with a vet I knew, drove the 4 1/2 hours back to the barn and halfway through the PPE, the vet was going over the x rays which she didn’t send to him until the morning of the ppe and said, 'Hey wait a minute. These x rays don’t belong to this horse!" The selling agent did a disappearing act worthy of Cris Angel, and because I was already out the $400 to the vet, we had him shoot some hock xrays which found multiple OCD lesions and arthritis. 
I called the owner of the horse to tell her the deal was off and she went on a tirade against the seller, calling her a drug dealer, liar, etc., trying to blame her. Then she admitted that the horse had hock injections two weeks prior to putting him on the market and he had had intermittent lameness for the whole year. She then offered him to me for 1/10th the price they were asking, but I passed.
Selling agents who practice this type of deception should not get away with it. We dodged a bullet because the vet was careful in his inspection of the xrays and I’m glad the Sellecks found justice.
