Does anyone know the amount of the 3 amino acids that would actually make a difference?
The one I’m looking at buying has the below per serving:
Lysine 20 g
Methionine 10 g
Threonine 5 g
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If you want to get technical, the amount to make a difference depends on how deficient the current diet is :winkgrin:
An average 500kg/1100lb horse in light work needs 30gm lysine. If his hay has .03% lysine and he’s eating 20lb, that’s 27gm right there. If he’s eating 1lb of a ration balancer at 2% lysine, that’s another 9gm.
But if he’s in really heavy work, he needs 43gm
Some grass hays don’t have that much lysine.
In general, most of the time you don’t more than about half of what’s in that supplement. Tri-Amino/Nutramino have 10/5/2 (or maybe 10/5/3, I forget).
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Would it hurt to feed more than the recommended amount? Do they pee out the extra LOL?
Extra AAs, to a degree, are not harmful. They do get peed out. For the supplement you listed, I’d start with a half dose and give that a few months.
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I just started my guy on Equinety for his muscle tone. It seems to be helping. It’s an AA supplement. May want to try it in lieu of the Tri Amino.
I’ve seen it sold locally but it’s super expensive!
Expensive, and such small amounts of the AAs.
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I’d go with human grade whey protein isolate (NOW) for around $55 for 5 lbs before I’d buy that tiny little jar of Equinety!
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I’d love to know more about how some of these supplements claim to work. I am a skeptic myself but i have a 17 year old Selle gelding. he is fairly average build currently he looks fine but i was away for a bit and he doesnt look FABULOUS and powerful like he used to. he has a small dip behind the wither and the butt isnt as round anymore
That being said he is 17 and the pictures i have of him at 14 or 15 he was definitely in better shape overall and last year we had 6 months of terrible hives to deal with.
On to my question the I was comparing feeds, the one my horse gets (boarding barn), the one from my job (fei groom/AA circuit), the feed my job switched to because of a picky eater.
my horse gets a feed (seminole wellness victory) that is 12% protien 8% fat 12% fiber it lists Lysine at .6% not the other two @JB mentioned
the old job fed a nutrena feed (proforce XTN) was 12% 12% 10% and mentions all three of those amino acids .8 L .37 M .5 T this was also much more expensive than the feed at home
The new feed(s) were an array from cavalor they dont list any of the amino acids on the website of the feeds we used.
What is a good level for these amino acids?
I’ve been trying to get him to fill in a bit more. he works 6 days a week saddle fits him well also. I have also tried just doing straight lunge work for 2 weeks. He can go long and low too ect ect
I started with a muscle supplement but it was mostly just protein and I mostly just saw weight gain from it. I tried adding some oil since he is an older guy and that seemed to do a little bit for his coat. I also tried the cavalor muscle force but this also was mostly protein based and saw some improvement but not as much as the reviews seemed to point to. I find cavalor doesnt do a good job listing ingredients on their products its frustrating.
Should i try a supplement like tri-amino instead?
(sorry if this comes out as a very non directional wall of text)
“What is a good level for these amino acids?”
That’s a really hard question to answer because so much depends on the feeding rates. And of course, “good” is all relative - how good is your forage?
If a serving of a feed, whether that’s 1lb of a ration balancer, or 8lb of a regular feed, provides 10gm lysine, that’s 1/3 of the requirements of a 1100lb horse in moderate work, and 1/4 the needs of that horse in really hard work.
“good” really requires several other details about the diet. A feed designed for an easy keeper may have a higher % of nutrients because of a lower feeding rate, where a feed meant for high performance horses might have a lower % of nutrients because of a higher feeding rate (ie more calories).
And horses are only an average. Individuals may use nutrients better or worse than the average horse.
i wish we did one more round of hay at night but he probably eats about 15-16 lb mix of timothy/alfalfa. The hay is pretty good quality though. and 1 scoop of grain am/pm slightly less than 6 qts a day.
