So I am considering breeding a thoroughbred mare to an ISH, with the hope of getting a super event/jumper prospect. I am new to breeding so I am starting with no opinions! As I have begun my research, I happened upon this forum.
Ideas?
Mare is linebred to Mr. Prospector, average bone, 16.2, lackluster race career, no real faults. I just want the best chance for a good foal.
Thank you!
Formula One, Flagmount Freedom. Both have UL offspring. My F1 mare is super nice, won in FEH, didn’t do YEH as I didn’t get her going til she was 5. This spring I should have a FF foal from the same mare…
Thank you, ThirdCharm. I am familiar with Formula One and know of a few of his offspring. Can anyone speak about temperament? I have met one Formula One offspring that was more than quirky.
My mare is a pocket pony, barn favorite. Only quirk is she can be a little spooky, but her mom and half sister are worse (thankfully their love of red and white flags is greater), so I’d say she is an improvement. 
it’s important to keep the mares HUGE contribution to temperament and behavior in mind. Some broodmares are in that job because they are too “quirky” to ride.
Jennifer
I met F1 and also worked at a barn that had several of his offspring. I think if you have a good sense of humor and are not timid, he can be a good choice for a solid-brained mare, but my personal opinion is he will not calm or improve a hot mare. The two I knew well were not very honest in day-to-day interactions. Very good athletes but not amateur rides.
Did Cougar establish himself as a good producer of eventers or jumpers? I always thought he was such an attractive horse, but don’t really know anything about his offspring.
(Not sure he is actually in US, but I think available frozen.)
I just sent you a PM
Brandenburg’s Windstar. He’s passed away but I think they still have frozen. I’m not sure they are offering the remaining doses publicly. His babies apparently can be tricky… But very talented.
If they don’t still have frozen maybe they could offer an opinion on other stallions to pursue. Phyllis knows a thing or two about Irish event horses.
I have a friend who bred to Pairadox Casanova last year and got a gorgeous colt. He’s not proven like some of these other names, and not traditional ISH, but he is quite lovely. Worth thinking about and looking at.
My daughter has a 2 year old who is by Pairadox Gold Coin. He is so sweet and easy going. We won’t know about his talents for another few years, but his temperament is fabulous.
Does anyone know what happened to Pallas Digion? He’s probably dead by now, but if he had frozen semen available, he’d probably be the most proven ISH in North America other than Brandenburg’s Windstar, who was also not the sire of the most ammy friendly horses.
This is very good to know. One of the reasons I am looking at ISH sires is that I want something a tad more “4 feet on the ground” than my very athletic mare. I want to retain or improve the athleticism whilst calming her down a bit.
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Thank you,
Deceased, I believe. He produced some very nice offspring. Brandenburg’s Windstar could produce some pretty uppity sorts and I would not go in that direction (sorry Phyllis!). I know a lot of the stallions of the past, but not so much the ones that are currently up and coming.
I will talk to Phyllis for sure. Few can rival her eye for a horse! And I am looking up Pairadox Casanova right now!
@AKB and Virginia Horse Mom, thank you for another great idea!
addendum: I looked up Pairadox Casanova. He is listed for sale which may be a complication. His videos are lovely! He is also by Banksfee Daniel who was extremely impressive in person and out of a mare by Popeye K. Interesting pedigree. I LOVE what this horse looks like! If I were young and had the resources, I might buy him!
Does it have to be ISH? What about RID? I think Bridon Beale Street is as ammy-friendly as you can get and if your mare is a good jumper I wouldn’t expect him to kill the jump.
If you are looking at ISH because you want to temper the hotness, be careful. Many ISHs are not ammy friendly. The two most famous ISH lines right now are definitely professional rides.
You could consider some WBs… lots of very nice amateur stallions that can pass on good eventers. I like Tatendrang for a TB mare. He is a confirmed ammy stallion IMHO. Another nice WB that consistently passes on amateur friendly is Buddenbrock and Concerto Grosso. There is also Gatsby who pairs really well with TB mares. Lotus T is great on TB mares as well and I saw that his owner has some sort of sale right now for his frozen IIRC.
Don’t underestimate the Connemara x TB cross either-several to choose from.
I noticed the stallion company is advertising Flexible as only sales source in EU for a reasonable fee–not sure if it applies to the USA but I am assuming Judy Yancey would know?
Aha, good point! I have not looked at Briton B.S. but his name keeps popping up.
While I am looking for solid temperament, I do want something that would have potential for the upper levels to sell. I am older and am just fine with hotter but who knows what I will be fine with 5-10 years from now??
I love Tatendrang and funny you should bring him up because I have been looking at him and considering purchasing offspring. I have owned one by Gatsby that was a lovely mover but a bit of an chicken to the fences, and he came out of a dam that was close up to fabulous connemara jumper lines. Have not heard of Lotus T. I have had poor results with Warmbloods (Holsteiner, RPSI ,and more ) so I am a bit WB-shy. I realize that’s not logical. I will say that I have yet to own an Irish horse or pony that lacked intelligence. I cannot say the same about the other non-thoroughbreds. Oh, and I am a huge thoroughbred fan, but you have to shuffle a large number to find the really good ones.
As for the WB opinion" Not logical as my experiences are only a few amongst hundreds of others. So I am open to being persuaded.
Love connemaras but are there any crossbred stallions available? I do want more than 50% tb blood, and a lot of purebred connemaras may have blood but it is many generations back. Actually, I would like to have at least 75% blood, henc my looking at the ISH.
sent you a PM with information on the one Half-Bred actually standing.
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