Trail Saddle and Security

Horns were put on saddles when roping developed in Mexico as a way to handle cattle on the open range. Prior to that the lance was the Cowboy’s Friend. :slight_smile:

I once rode a three your trail ride on a Walker in Stubben Tristan. Never again. After cycling through bunch of alternatives I settled on the Stubben Scout. Virtually identical in seat to the Stubben Siegfried, but with longer bars and 10 d-rings. My wife rides a Siegfried VSD-DL (dressage length flaps) and likes it a great deal.

If you want real light weight and security look at a McClellan. It served the Army, in a half dozen different versions, from 1859-1948. I don’t find the Mac comfortable but you might. I prefer the Grimsley Dragoon saddle (predecessor of the Mac) or the Whitman Officer’s Saddle (that in 1887 almost replaced it). All of these saddles can be had in reproduction form from custom makers for under $1000.

The Army’s last official saddle, the Phillips Officer’s Saddle of 1936, can be found but are getting rare. Again, I don’t like the fit for me but you might find it OK.

I’m not a fan of Aussies. They just don’t work for me.

Steele makes an excellent line of Plantation Saddles. A couple of folks I know ride Buena Vista’s and swear by them. The Trooper saddle is the modern evolution of the British Universal Pattern cavalry saddle; it first saw service in 1795. Tucker, and somd others, make good quality versions of this type.

The traditional western saddle, built for roping, will be strong and secure but will also be heavy so as to stand the stress of 1000 pounds of cow at the end of a 35’ rope. They will also not give a lot of “close contact” feeling. Some saddles do follow this shape but are much more lightly built. I’m not so sure about them. You might find them OK.

There are a lot of choices, here. Shop around and try out as many as you can.

Good luck in your search. :slight_smile:

G.

Thanks for the recommendations. More to look at and consider.

Just to give you “youngsters” another option, I ride my TWH with a Paragon trail saddle. I’m 69. I don’t like a horn because they are always in the way, but I have to have the free movement of stirrup leathers for my knees.

My mare stepped off the trail and put her nose on the ground to sniff the drop off just beyond. I slid down her neck, taking the bridle with me. Luckily, she just stood still for me put everything back in place. Then she did one of those shy-to=the left moves and I went to the right. After that, I had a saddle maker mount bucking rolls on my saddle. They block my thighs from going forward, but don’t feel in the way as poleys do.

If does look out of the ordinary, but it works and it was pretty cheap. Saddle around $300, rolls about $100. Hey, it works and it’s mine so I don’t really care how it looks!. :lol:

[QUOTE=hctjudge;6073714]
Just to give you “youngsters” another option, I ride my TWH with a Paragon trail saddle. I’m 69. I don’t like a horn because they are always in the way, but I have to have the free movement of stirrup leathers for my knees.

My mare stepped off the trail and put her nose on the ground to sniff the drop off just beyond. I slid down her neck, taking the bridle with me. Luckily, she just stood still for me put everything back in place. Then she did one of those shy-to=the left moves and I went to the right. After that, I had a saddle maker mount bucking rolls on my saddle. They block my thighs from going forward, but don’t feel in the way as poleys do.

If does look out of the ordinary, but it works and it was pretty cheap. Saddle around $300, rolls about $100. Hey, it works and it’s mine so I don’t really care how it looks!. :lol:[/QUOTE]

That’s really not a bad idea!

Just throwing this out there for others who might view this thread for information. I do REALLY like the Allegany Mountain Trail Saddles http://trailridingsaddles.com/saddles.html. Beautifully made for the price and I noticed that they will put “bucking rolls” on the pommel (like Australian knee poleys), upon request. Pretty much like hctjudge above had added to her Marathon saddle.

[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;6074377]
Just throwing this out there for others who might view this thread for information. I do REALLY like the Allegany Mountain Trail Saddles http://trailridingsaddles.com/saddles.html. Beautifully made for the price and I noticed that they will put “bucking rolls” on the pommel if requested (like Australian knee poleys), upon request. Pretty much like hctjudge above had added to her Marathon saddle above.[/QUOTE]

Yes, my bucking rolls are mounted higher than Aust. poleys and never in the way. When dismounting, I tend to hold on to the off side roll to help me let my poor knees down slowly.

Incidently, the two times I mentioned going off were many months apart, my mare is a great trail horse. She usually plants her feet and shies in place, but that time she did a cutting horse move. When I was cutting, I expected moves like that!

For awhile I had a nutso TWH who could drop a shoulder and spin like nobody’s business, and you never knew when it was coming. I could be mounting, dismounting, in the middle of a spook, walking calmly with NOTHING around us…and wham!

An aussie with high poleys or an a-fork saddle with bucking rolls were the only two saddles he couldn’t spin me out of. Sometimes I’d come home with big black bruises on my thighs from how hard I hit the poleys/rolls, but I stayed on.

I sold the aussie when I got rid of the horse, but I still love bucking rolls and a nightlatch on my saddles. Just in case.

An explanation of bucking rolls: http://www.western-saddle-guide.com/bucking-rolls.html

And another with good photos: http://www.outwestsaddlery.com/html/bucking_rolls_for_sale.html

They kinda look like boobs for your saddle, LOL! :winkgrin:

Western doesn’t always help. I had a crazy arab that would drop and spin, maybe buck. I have a rough-out suede balanced seat western saddle that I thought I stuck to, and he still managed to unseat me. I am short, maybe if I had really long legs to wrap around him, like the trainer did. He is a fond memory now, but I still have the saddle.

I love Aussie Saddles. I have had two - one with and one without a horn. If they fit “new” horse I would still have them. They will keep you in your seat!

I now have an Allegany Mountain Trail Saddle and I love it. It is an Renegade Endurance with a horn. Wish I would have gotten it now without the horn as it still has a hand grip in the pommel. I really like my AMTS - it is well made, comfortable and was affordable.

[QUOTE=wylde sage;6073047]
I had a Tucker equitation saddle and couldn’t get rid of the thing fast enough. I’m probably the only person alive that doesn’t care for Tuckers I guess.

Currently ride in a Big Horn cordura western saddle with a horn although I like hornless as well. It’s light and I feel secure in it. Never got the hang of Aussie saddles either, have owned and sold a few.[/QUOTE]

Nope, you’re not the only one, I don’t like Tucker saddles either!

[QUOTE=tollertwins;6072598]
FWIW, I feel less secure in western saddles 'cause my leg isn’t on the horse as much.[/QUOTE]

^^^^ So glad to hear someone else say this!!! I feel exactly the same way.

I would recommend maybe an endurance type saddle? Those have a deeper seat and there is a bit “more” to the saddle. Although if you are looking to go western for trail, which I understand, I would personally steer away from the Tuckers. I find them cheaply made and they don’t sit quite right. That said I have ridden with one friend who adores her Tucker. She says it has a very comfortable seat and she is a beginner rider who admits that she has an insecure seat and she feels that there is enough saddle there to keep her secure. Maybe try one out at a tack shop or find one that you can take on trial for a day or so?

I’ve ordered a Wintec Pro Stock. I was happy with the Wintec Pro Endurance I had in the past. The equisuede was grippy and the knee poleys will add additional security and it will take my dressage girths. It doesn’t look as bulky/top heavy as the more traditional Aussie saddles. If it saves my ass (literally) from being dumped via a bad spook and spin, I’ll be happy.

What about some leather full seat riding pants? I have a pair from Equissentials and they really do help me stick to the saddle.

I’m curious about the Wintec Pro Stock. Let us know how you like it-- I am wondering whether it encourages a chair seat like many aussies, and whether you feel perched above the horse or if it is closer contact…

I’ll let you know but from the looks of it, I’m hoping for more of a dressage close contact feel and position. The saddle weighing in under 13lbs obviously does not have alot of bulk to it. But heck, if it gives me added security on my big, green, spookier horses, I’ll put up with a bit of “chair seat” when out on the trails. I still have my dressage and close contact saddles for more disciplined riding.

[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;6075623]
I’ve ordered a Wintec Pro Stock. I was happy with the Wintec Pro Endurance I had in the past. The equisuede was grippy and the knee poleys will add additional security and it will take my dressage girths. It doesn’t look as bulky/top heavy as the more traditional Aussie saddles. If it saves my ass (literally) from being dumped via a bad spook and spin, I’ll be happy.[/QUOTE]

That’s interesting that you describe Aussie saddles as bulky/top heavy. A year ago I ordered and tried 2 Aussie saddles, with copius measurements sent to the dealer. Both of them appeared to just hover over my horse and never seemed secure and fitted properly. I returned both,

I know many people ride and love them, but they don’t work for everyone anymore than any other saddles do.

[QUOTE=hctjudge;6075915]
That’s interesting that you describe Aussie saddles as bulky/top heavy. A year ago I ordered and tried 2 Aussie saddles, with copius measurements sent to the dealer. Both of them appeared to just hover over my horse and never seemed secure and fitted properly. I returned both,

I know many people ride and love them, but they don’t work for everyone anymore than any other saddles do.[/QUOTE]

That was our experience as well. I actually got the Aussie Saddle for my husband as he was a new rider and liked the seat and security of the Aussies. Problem was, as a beginner without the best balance in the world and riding a smaller horse, we found out the hard way that it was easy to overbalance in the saddle and it would slide and spill him out of it. I tried it and hated the very “hover” - up over/off the horse feeling - it gave me. And I didn’t like all that leather flap between me and the horse. I think the Wintec will be much better. I read tons of reviews on them and of the people who got them, very few disliked them. Of course though, if I get it and hate it, back it will go. But I am not anticipating that for what I want it for.

Now, having said that, I’ve noticed that the better Aussie saddles of today out there appear to have smaller flaps and more of a close contact, less elevated, appearing seat, which is an improvement.

I just read your post and was going to say “Synthetic”… :lol:

I have a http://www.thorowgood.com/T4.html
and nothing could unseat me with this saddle. You’ll love the Equisuede. But I just can’t ride an English saddle without irons at the normal length, so my knees just couldn’t take long rides. :dead:

I love my Abetta Endurance without a horn. Very grippy also.

Although, IMO, some saddles can hold you in too much. i.e. Poleys, or a traditional Western saddle with Horn.

There are times when I’ve wanted to come off when using those types of saddles, but knew I’d get hung up and make for a worse fall, as opposed to a planned “sliding” off. :wink:

[QUOTE=wylde sage;6073047]
I had a Tucker equitation saddle and couldn’t get rid of the thing fast enough. I’m probably the only person alive that doesn’t care for Tuckers I guess.

Currently ride in a Big Horn cordura western saddle with a horn although I like hornless as well. It’s light and I feel secure in it. Never got the hang of Aussie saddles either, have owned and sold a few.[/QUOTE]

You’re not the only person who doesn’t like the Tuckers. Many feel that they are riding “on top of the horse.” This is due to Tucker following the base design of the UP and using a “sling seat” type of construction. While this, in fact, is good for the horse’s back it removes a lot of feel from the rider. This complaint was made in 1795 when the saddle was invented and is made today.

I know a fellow who was part of the Household Cavalry in the late 60s and early 70s. They used the UP saddle. It was common to warm up the horse prior to an appearance and have to dismount and tighted the seat strings before the event began. He tells me that in the days of regular cavalry operations the a would leave the garrison and dismount 20-30 min. later and everybody would have to retighten the saddle stringing.

I don’t like the Tuckers because I don’t like being “on top” of the horse. Others don’t find it a problem. :slight_smile:

G.