Traits that make a great horseman/top professional

Really really good answers. Love it! I think that putting the horse first is the most important, I don’t care how successful someone happens to be, if they don’t do that, they are nothing in my eyes.

I was watching a hunter jumper clinic a few weeks ago. He was a big name. But I was very impressed with his demeanor towards the horses. He wanted the rider’s to hold themselves accountable and the horses as well, but by setting the horse up with good riding. He called one rider for harsh riding, he had no time for that. She was the only trainer in the group and would NOT listen to one thing he said until the end of the session when he asked her if her headset was broken. She said she could hear him fine. He told her well do what I’m saying. Two very different types of people there. The BNT talked at length about things he learned from other h/J’s and dressage trainers. He seemed to be confident in his knowledge but not arrogant. The low level trainer seemed to have a high opinion of herself though.

A few weeks later I went to a Dressage clinic with a well known clinician. I talked to him at length outside of the clinic. This was someone who was talented but worked extremely hard and studied horses and Dressage extensively. He made it to the top but now only rode at home. I asked him if he would show again and he said maybe, but not right now. He just wants to enjoy his horse without pressure.

He referenced other trainers, even a Western trainer. He talked about theory and they why we were doing what we were doing. There were multiple trainers riding amongst us amateurs. Everyone seemed to have a great ride. Except one trainer. She nearly talked over him. She seemed to want to simply advertise how she trained and how she thought things should be done. He was polite. He didn’t argue but did explain why he thinks doing things that way wouldn’t work. She started just doing whatever she wanted… Just not listening. She then bashed the trainer while everyone was still there.

In both cases, both BNTs gave some good advice. Were they perfect? No. Do I think we should follow everything they say because they are well regarded trainers? Nope. But do I think it’s worth taking some of what they had to offer home? I sure do. I saw improvements in everyone that was there to try and listen.

It was also interesting to see that the mid level or locally successful trainers listened and improved under the clinicians. The two that didn’t listen have only had very moderate success and not only that, really just didn’t ride that well.

Just an observation about how ego can get in the way.

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Patience
Good communication skills - with horse and rider/owner
Non-reactive
Skilled/competent
Supportive

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How do you define a great horseman, LunaBear? Because putting that together with “top professional” confuses me. Do you want to know what traits will get you to the top in competition in one discipline or another?
Or do you want to know what traits a great horseman has from the horses’ POV?

@Rackonteur sorry if my post wasn’t clear. Being a great horseman is more my own goal, I haven’t shown in anything in 15 years. I did list in my op traits that I think those that are great (whether that’s at home or in a ring) possess. Listening to the horse, doing what’s right for them, continuing education, working on oneself is what I think make someone have the ability to be great. It’s what I strive for, although I have no grand elusions about myself. All I can be is an amateur that always tries to improve and always listens to the horse. It’s the type of sport that I can’t understand for some how that isn’t the most important thing. I like to think that’s why we are all here. Because we have a special connection with horses.

The reason I put that with making it to the top is i think for many, they are also great horseman and have a thirst for improvement and knowledge. Sadly not all, but I don’t respect anyone at the top that doesn’t put horsemanship first.
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If you want to be a good horseman attach yourself to a mentor that is one, and learn everything you can.

If you want to compete, get into a show barn with a proven program and follow that.

You might get lucky and find both qualities in one coach or mentor, but my guess is that’s less likely at the lower levels.

When you see crap local coaches arguing with clinicians, well that’s a useful sign to avoid those coaches.

Effective trainers tend not to make spectacles of themselves by messing up clinics arguing and if they disagree will keep it to themselves. Also they are capable of picking clinicians that they already know they like. No point taking a lesson with someone you don’t respect.

OP, sounds like you have had your eyes opened to flaws in a previous coach. That’s fine. Now you’ve learned something going forward.

Always look at what people do rather than what they say they do, and online test scores can be useful in this! We have a local coach who talks big about having gone up to fourth level and even trying PSG. And getting ribbons. If you look up her scores they are consistently in the mid 50s. And this is on nice enough warmbloods not on Arabs or QH where you lose points on gaits.

Finding the truth behind the bluster is a useful skill in all walks of life. My sister jokes about coming home from film industry parties with business cards from various loudly self promoting men, looking them up on IMDb and finding out their only industry credits are key grip on a student short film in film school.

In other words, developing your nose for quality and your ability to glide on past the blowhards is a great survival skill in any field.

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@Scribbler you are spot on. I want to be great horse woman and rider that I can be. Right now that doesn’t include competition. The good horsewoman part is easier for me. I’ve had some incredibly good mentors. And as you and others pointed out, they aren’t always competitive or big names. Some were just damn good horsewomen. They could read a horse, communicate and just instantly improve most horses. What I learned from them was so incredibly valuable.

But now I need to step up my riding. I’m decent enough rider. Kind and understanding. I listen to the horses. And I am always wanting to learn. But I want to progress and I’m finding that I need to tweak some things not only in my riding but perhaps my way of thinking.

Finding the right fit isn’t easy. As you said, some talk the talk. And some do it really well. And then sometimes once you sit back and look at the big picture things become more clear!

One thing I think we often forget is that a great trainer (of horses) and a great coach (of people) isn’t always the same person. Someone can have incredible, sympathetic, consistent feel and have the talent for developing a horse’s skillset, but have a tough time communicating that to students. In the other direction, someone can be a confidence-boosting, clearly-communicating teacher, but maybe not have all the tools in the toolbox when it comes to training the horse. In my mind, a really great trainer is someone who has both skillsets- able to productively teach both the horse AND the rider.

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The best horsepeople I know are completely flying under the radar rocking their great horsepeople selves every single day without a thought.

The most successful in terms of business/high level achievement at some time or another also had luck and good business sense. And they did things that they don’t do now to get there. I do not believe that one can consistently do right by a horse and run a successful business. If running a successful high achieving business is what you aspire to, you aren’t going to always be able to do right by your horses. If doing right by your horses is your priority, you’re going to lose a lot of clients (they’ll get impatient/dissatisfied), and you’ll pay to keep a lot of horses around who are not paying their way and you’ll go broke, probably.

So unless you have unlimited resources, or a big loyal client who does and shares your view of best-for-the-horse philosophy, you are making tough choices as a pro: pay my rent/keep this client or do right by this horse. The BNTs can wax sentiment and philosophy all they want; they’re standing at the top looking down and picking from the cream of the crop in terms of clients and horses and I’m fairly certain that, when they were at the beginning of their careers, they did things they would care to forget.

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Not always, you get the horse owners to train for that you cultivate and educate.

The better trainers have plans for the horses and students if any they train.
Those plans are flexible, but only as far as the horse is being properly taken care of.

If training race horses an owner doesn’t know that you can’t just run a horse next weekend just because it can come to the races with friends on tow to show them their race horse running, you as a trainer have not done your homework clarifying with the client how you train and why.

The client needs to check with the horse’s schedule and adjust to it, not the other way around.
The client may ask if the horse can run a specific weekend.
The trainer will check what is on the race card and if the horse is suitable for any of those that were not on the horse’s program for that weekend and if the horse was not due to run an important race soon that race may take some out of the horse, or may sharpen the horse for that bigger race.

So, yes, the same with a show or any other competitive way trainers prepare horses and students for, the horse has to come first if you want to be successful.

The trainers that don’t know that are the ones that won’t be consistently successful.

Also, the better, more consistently winning trainers will of course be offered the better horses to train, which also keeps them winning.

We trained on a regional track and if we had a really better horse, we would call the best trainer we could think of for that horse in the big tracks and see if they were interested.
That is how those really top trainers do well, doing a great job and it all begins with knowing your horses and doing right by them with their best skills to do so.

That pretty much sums it up. To be “great” at something, you must make it your #1 priority all day every day. Other things must take a back seat. You have the same number of hours in your day as everyone else, and to make yourself great, you have to make a total commitment, and do more than the 2nd best is doing.

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Having that ‘born with it’ Dr. Doolittle sixth sense about horses – that eye, that intuitiveness, that rare extra special something.

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I rode in a clinic with a relatively big name trainer a few weeks ago. Something she said which struck a chord was “I’d rather be known as a really good horse woman than be known for winning everything.”

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@atr that’s awesome and how it should be!