Tripping Problem - It's Lyme - Treatment Questions

Minocycline is quite a bit more expensive. It is considered more bioavailable than doxycycline. Doxycycline is the drug of choice for many vets so presumably they have success with it!

For a high chronic Lyme titer, I would use minocycline because I would assume that I need the big guns to bring that titer down at this point. If a horse had what appeared to be a new/acute infection and/or not a super high titer, I would try the doxycline first.

My personal experience: use the doxycycline but end up using the mincycline later anyway, so might as well just pay for it the first time!

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This is really helpful, thank you. When I was digging, it looks like the mino can be better at penetrating tissues/CNS as well as it seeming to get at the joints a little better as well.

Do you recall the ballpark price you paid? Chat GPT gave me this…pretty big range for the minocycline!

  • Doxycycline is the more cost-effective option, with a 30-day treatment ranging from $324 to $432 .
  • Minocycline is significantly more expensive, with a 30-day treatment ranging from $796.50 to $1,836.00 .
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I recently treated several of mine for Lyme (and I am undergoing treatment myself, which is another story). My vet prefers to use minocycline. I paid $450 for 30 days. Good luck!

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That’s not to bad!! Thanks :slight_smile:

I get mino from Valley Vet. 20 capsules twice daily.

30 days = 3 bottles at $160/bottle = $480

90 days = 8 bottles = $1280

To compare, their price on doxy is basically the same. $150/500 count vs the $160/500 count of mino. We always use mino. Generally 60 days.

I hope treating for Lyme helps!

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Wow, I’ve never gone this route, but it’s even cheaper with GoodRX. I’m showing $363 for 1500 capsules at Target or CVS. (For mino!)

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That is super!

I’m going to do some homework on places/prices before the vet calls so I have that handy!

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I don’t know why I’ve never checked GoodRX for this stuff :joy: This is where doxy is a lot cheaper–can do 1500 for 130 bucks!

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That’s great about the doxy!

Chewy has mino in a similar ballpark too:

30 days 1200 capsules = $296.40
60 days 2400 capsules = $592.80
90 days 3600 capsules = $889.20

Im afraid to ask about the palatability of these…

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I’ve literally never had an issue just tossing into grain! Even for the mare who would NEVER eat other meds. A nosebag can help if they’re good sorters.

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Oh good, that’s hopeful! Charlie already gets a mash, so that is probably in our favor already.

I remember as a kid, having to mortar and pestle antibiotics to a powder, then core an apple and fill it with the meds. My poor dad helping with that LOL. I don’t remember what the antibiotics were, but my mare wanted nothing to do with them!

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Small wins, right? :joy:

If you’re in a high Lyme area, it might be worth exploring the vaccine. I finally started a few years ago. I got so tired of treating at least one horse every year, despite never finding ticks on them. Ugh. Lyme sucks.

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We are considered high risk for Lyme. Is the vaccine for horses still the canine one that’s considered off label? I don’t think I know anyone that is vaccinating their horses for it personally, but I don’t know why we shouldn’t at this point.

Ill ask about that too, I imagine that would be once the active infection is cleared out would be the time for that?

My vet doesn’t use doxy anymore, just mino. I second GoodRX, they have bailed me out on meds costs more than once. Many times more than once!

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I’m going to see if we can go the GoodRX route, a little cheaper than Chewy and I shouldn’t have to wait for shipping.

Thanks for the tips all, I wouldn’t have checked that out!

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Yep on both–it’s the canine vaccine, and you’d start that after you wrap up treatment. Lemme go find the Cornell paper for you, I’m sure you’ll like the deets…

Here it is: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17308496

I use 2 cc Recombitek Lyme. Was doing every 16 weeks but extended to every 6 mo after titers this spring still showed good coverage at 6 mo past previous. And no indication of infection on those titers yaaaaaaaay.

I also don’t know anyone else that vaccinates but I am SO over it.

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Many thanks!

I am definitely over it.

It wasn’t until the past few years, human docs, small animal vets, and large animal vets have gotten their heads out of their behinds about it. I remember asking years back about my dogs and “we don’t see much of that here”…of course you don’t if you don’t test for it :woman_facepalming:t2: Same thing earlier on with Charlie. UGH.

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Fwiw, while I certainly don’t feel great about Lyme, I feel like we do have a fairly good understanding - or at least fairly standard - way of treating it.

EPM on the other hand feels like the wild west for how to treat and maintain.

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@FjordBCRF, so happy you and Charlie have an answer!! You’ve worked so hard to figure out what’s going on with him.

Preface to the following: I think it’s very reasonable to start with oral minocycline (or even doxy, but mino is much better) and see if you get to where you want to be clinically. With that said: If it were mine, I would (and will, because I’m certain this will happen again) go straight to 10-14 days of IV oxytetracycline with a chronic case.

In one experimental study, i.v. oxytetra-cycline treatment seemed to eliminate persistent infection, while three out of four ponies treated per os with doxycycline showed increasing antibody values by three months after the treatment ended

from Cornell’s site on Lyme; it links to the actual study, as well as having more information on various treatment protocols,

Here’s why (and I keep meaning to write this up in a bit more rigor, but haven’t had a chance): I bought my mare in 2022, with a history of Lyme. In summer of 2024, she became sufficiently neuro that my vet felt she was unsafe to ride. I did sixty days of mino and still wasn’t happy with how she felt, so I took her to New Bolton neuro in September.

They considered her values negative for Lyme per the spinal tap and we left with a presumptive EDM diagnosis.

Believing that my luck could not possibly be quite that bad, and also just not feeling like she acted like my last EDM horse (having been fortunate (?) enough to have that basis of comparison), I opted to do two weeks of IV oxytet as a Hail Mary after reading the above study plus a couple of case reports of horses that had a history of chronic Lyme, didn’t titer, but resolved with treatment (in humans, not all cases of neurologic Lyme can be identified by CSF testing.) Her tail pull had dramatically improved a week in. Unfortunately, she had done a soft tissue injury as well (likely due to being neuro while running around like an idiot) and so we did six months of stall rest with hand and/or tack walking and then went back to recheck both the soft tissue and the neuro exam.

On recheck neuro exam after the IV oxytet, New Bolton said she was almost entirely normal, and that they didn’t need to see her again unless we had additional problems. They were very surprised by this because she’d been on stall rest, and they said that neuro horses on stall rest usually go downhill quick.

So–again–it’s a pain to do the IV antibiotics and I think it’s very reasonable to try the mino, because it works for a lot of horses. But for me, I’m going straight to the oxytet from here on out, and I thought it might be useful for you to have that in your back pocket either way.

Either way, good luck to both of you! You deserve some of it. You have definitely gotten your Neuro Merit Badge at this point.

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100% agree with doing oxy-tet first too. That is my strong preference as well but I know it’s not realistic for everyone.

It’s wild the stuff you figure out on your own when you’re desperate, right? :sweat_smile: So awesome that you pursued the Lyme diagnosis and treatment and didn’t give up. I have wondered a LOT about neurologic Lyme vs what New Bolton states as fact about it. I am old enough to remember when New Bolton didn’t even believe that Lyme was a problem for horses.

I’m also more than a little disturbed that NBC told you that neuro horses on stall rest go downhill quickly - as I had a horse diagnosed with a neuro disorder and was told to put him on stall rest. He went downhill quickly. Maybe the thinking has changed in the past 5ish years. I regret so much my blind faith in their expertise at the time.

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