Trying not to be “that” boarder

The various responses sure do show the old adage: “the horse world – two people, three opinions.”

The three opinions being: BO/BMs, Boarders, and Barn Workers in this case. You get a good feel for who is who in this thread.

Leafblowing has been in every operation I’ve been involved in. So it is the norm here. In small mom and pop barns I can see why sweeping is preferred, but it just isn’t realistic in the larger operations. It makes sense from an economy standpoint to swap to a leafblower to conserve labor costs and labor energy.

This is a no-brainer from a BO and BM perspective to manage your workflow better and conserve your limited laborer hours and energy. “Work smarter, not harder.”

From a BO’s perspective, this kind of request would flag a boarder as “that” kind of boarder. Nearly every (present) boarder wants to be the exception and get special accommodation from how the barn is normally run. It can be difficult and open up a precedent that a barn owner is not capable of maintaining.

It’s unrealistic in the big operations to never blow the aisle while horses are in. Do workers want a horse to be in while they’re blowing the aisle? Of course not, but it is almost always out of their control. Barn workers often have an inflexible “order of go” for chores that looks something like feed, turnout, pick stalls, drop hay, clean aisle, water, set up grain and they cannot move onto other chores until the former chore is done – or if they move onto other chores before the former chore is done, they have to go back and redo it later in the day. Which ties into laborer efficiency and energy; it would be wasted time/energy to break from the order of go.

Generally speaking in these big operations, if a horse is in during the day it is either because it is on stall rest or it’s a “special accommodation boarder” already. Most barns are not blowing the aisle while all the horses are inside - they’re blowing the aisle after stalls are done which is usually in the AM while horses are out. What are workers supposed to do with a horse that is on stall rest? They can’t move him outside temporarily, that would be extremely irresponsible and put the horse at risk of reinjury. There’s often not enough hands on deck to just “hold” this stalled horse outside while the aisle is being blown, if the horse is even tractable or safe enough to do that. The safest thing for that horse is to remain in his stall, and for the aisle blowers to continue as normal and try not to stir up too much dust by his stall. We typically kept the horses on stall rest in the quieter end of the barn, so we’d start leaf blowing from their side to reduce the amount of dust blown their way.

As far as the concerns about fine particulate and how much a leafblower stirs it up, barns are dusty with or without the leafblower. Your horse is inhaling fine particulate matter all night, 365 days a year if you have him in a stall. If your horse has respiratory problems/allergens, it’s not advisable to keep it in a stall at all. While the cites linked by one poster are mostly opinion pieces or articles written by agents selling a specific product, Ghazzu posted three links to air quality in horse stables that outline why horses with respiratory issues should avoid being stalled.

Tthe barn should not be more dusty after a leafblowing pass - while a pass does aerosolize previously settled matter, if you run the blower with a second pass towards wherever there is a natural exhaust (current from a fan or vent in a gable end, etc) you will drive it out and there will be less settling of airborne debris. If it’s more dusty, that worker is blowing in a haphazard fashion. Be conscious of the layout of the barn and don’t tilt the blower at a 90 degree angle to the ground - a marginal angle of 15-30 degrees does the job without stirring dust eye level and dusting blankets and water. (Side note - water should always be the last chore done in the barn - dump them while you clean stalls, turn them over on the freshly swept mats to dry out, clean the aisle, and then fill water).

As a BO, I would make an exception to the policy for a horse with legitimate diagnosed respiratory issues – in that I would strongly push for them to be outside 24/7 for their own health. It is ironic in the extreme to be concerned about the leafblower while housing a horse in a stall. The reality is that may or may not mean the horse is suitable for industry boarding; it may mean that horse needs to find a better situation than most boarding barns can offer. But if they are outside, one does not need to worry at all about leafblowing.

22 Likes

What are DVMs? Chopped liver? :grinning:

I don’t give a rodent’s nether parts what SOP at large vs. small barns is.
I’m speaking only to the significant deterimental effects of the practice on respiratory health in the horse.

And it is detrimental. This is not news. I recall Dr. William Moyers referencing leaf blowers as a Bad Thing over 20 years ago.
If economics dictate the use of the damned things, then the very least that good management practices would require is that it be done while the barn is empty.

Obsessing about debris in the aisle at the expense of debris in the respiratory tract of an athlete is lousy faux horsemanship.

34 Likes

Definitely not. I am in complete agreement with you about the hazards and I would prefer to not blow while a horse is in the barn. I know from experience though that it is not possible in many barns.

It’s easier when your horses all live outside 24/7. :grinning:

4 Likes

This discussion is why someone needs to devise an effective, affordable, and easy to use barn vacuum. The ones that exist are huge and expensive. A blower is cheap and easy. Any creative/mechanical types want to take up the challenge? :slight_smile:

I have a small 10x36 aisle to keep clean. I am considering trying one of the stick style shop vacs to see if it might be a good solution. I currently sweep but there’s still just a lot of dust.

1 Like

I would guess that most barn owners also own a shop vac so if they wanted to vacuum the aisle they could do so pretty easily that way.
The problem with vacuuming the aisle, that does not exist with blowing, is the need to periodically empty your container and deal with the weight of your container as it fills.

5 Likes

Yep, totally agree. That’s why I said it had to be easy to use. :slight_smile: (Says someone who just used a shop vac to clean the hay loft and had to empty the container … not fun and gross.)

OP did suggest that her BM is receptive to being paid extra for extra services which I think plays greatly into the analysis of how reasonable this ask is. Some barns are “we do it one way and you like it or lump it” and others are all about a la carte care. That does make a difference here.

6 Likes

Really what I want is to be able to use my cordless Dyson vacuum in the barn. Works super well and is really easy to empty. Having a hard time, however, justifying a $700 vacuum for this purpose.

1 Like

And will it work as well picking up long pieces of hay, the occasional rock, manure balls, etc.

1 Like

In some industrial cattle barns, there is a built in vacuum that is very similar to what you propose. I remember when I worked for a barn building company that did work in upstate NY, we had one client that wanted this amenity but it was outside of my org’s typical wheelhouse.

It is not affordable by horse people standards. :laughing:

In some dairy barns, there is a metal trench that goes between the stall and the aisle, the entire length of the barn. This trench is a metal conveyor belt designed to expedite removal of stall waste and has small spikes along the belt to secure the straw/manure. To a horse person it looks like an accident waiting to happen but, after having worked in one dairy barn repurposed for horses, they learn to just step right over it.

2 of my 3 have COPD. Never been stalled extensively in the 14 or so years they’ve lived here at my place. They developed environmental issues organically. I would never, ever, use a leaf blower around them were they stalled.

6 Likes

The barn I board at is a converted dairy barn with the barn cleaner conveyor that runs right outside the stalls. It’s covered by metal plates and the plates in front of the stall doors have slots and a special tool to open them. So it’s safe for the horses other than the metal being a bit slippery. You open the plate and clean the stall right into the trench and run the barn cleaner so it drags all the dirty bedding into the pit outside one end of the barn.

The aisle is still swept though from bringing in hay and bedding.

2 Likes

You could take a bucket of water, dip a broom in it, and sweep the aisle before they have to use the leaf blower… also, talk to them about it. Don’t beat around the bush.

This completely defeats the purpose of the blowing, as now you’ve got dirt stuck to the floor that can’t be removed.

I want a barn roomba.

7 Likes

At my property at home, I use a leaf vacuum in fall. I love it, because not only is it easier to vacuum than blow crevices, but it also mulches up the particles into tiny pieces, which go in the bag, not into the air. Unfortunately, the bag broke, and the newer replacement bags don’t fit, so I’m looking for a new one. However, this also highlights another problem with vacuuming–it is more time-consuming, because the bag needs to be emptied.

Honestly, I don’t think this is terrible to have a conversation with the barn owner in a respectful manner about your concerns. As long as you’re nice, and not huffy, and you’re not a complaining boarder, I think it’s okay to speak up when you do have a legitimate health concern, but also be prepared if it can’t be accommodated. Kind of like with turnout at many barns–most individual horses would benefit with more turnout, but from a barn owner and employee’s perspective, there’s also a maintenance schedule for the fields/ need to balance the personalities of different horses in turnout.

I’ve been at barns which just swept and barns which swept and blew. The latter had areas with cobblestones where dirt and hayseed got in the crevices, and sweeping to get it all out wouldn’t have been feasible. But the blowing was done when the horses were out and (pre-COVID), the employee masked up while blowing.

4 Likes

We always put water down on the aisle first. Not a lot, but we typically go around with a watering can or the hose on a light setting and just lightly wet down the aisle so that it knocks the dust down. It of course doesn’t get rid of the dust completely but there is a clear difference between blowing out the aisle with water down vs without water down.

4 Likes

Has anyone used Kool Kurtains or similar and did they work for dust control as well? It might be an option to try if the barn owner permitted them.

If the OP could show up magically every day right before the blowing she could take her horse out during the blowing herself?!

9 Likes

OP-if your barn manager is not knowledgeable enough to already know that blowing an aisle with horses inside is a health hazard, your input will not be welcome.

I would consider this a deal breaker and move somewhere else. Any barn that does this will also lack the knowledge to provide good care in other ways too.

A good barn has a horse-welfare first attitude. They are scarce as hen’s teeth these days, but can be found if you look hard enough.

Good luck.

7 Likes

I’ve been on both sides of the situation, boarder and working in the barn, in various size barns. However from my personal experience, every aspect of the leaf blower has been a source of many boarders’ complaints.
So while it may be a bit faster to use the blower in terms of cleaning the aisle, the time gained will be taken by a “that” boarder complaining to the staff right after, it was honestly just easier to sweep in that situation vs. dealing with the hassle.

6 Likes