Trying to find US show record: horse imported from Germany

[SusanO]

Just a guess but if you allow somebody to get on and try a horse that you know has a serious problem without disclosing what you know. And then that person ends up in the emergency room because you did not tell them what the horse has done in the past - you might have some liability in said emergency room bill. I believe this goes beyond negligence to gross negligence and I don’t think having somebody sign a liability waiver is going to protect you in this case. If this had happened to me I might be talking to an attorney.

But this is just speculation on my part and I am not a lawyer.

[RavtoadOH]

Nor did I sign a liability waiver for her at any point

[endlessclimb]

Wait, you are suing her?

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

This thread is turning into a full education regarding the perils of trying horses, for both buyers and sellers.

Also. The horse doesn’t look sound in the Facebook videos. In the second video, he looks very lathered and tired, but still seems tense and tucked up in his barrel. Definitely not a comfortable looking horse. Something seems very off.

[steelerino]

That horse has some funky hind leg thing going on.

[GraceLikeRain]

This seems like a sad situation with no winners. Horse looks like he doesn’t want to be bad but has some serious mental baggage and/or physical discomfort. That rider has a heck of a seat and is quick to find a release. I doubt the OP will get anything out of a lawsuit beyond spending their time. About half of lawsuits go in favor of a plaintiff, 1/3-1/2 of the settlement goes to the attorney. I doubt the seller has significant assets if they sell backyard types full time. This also means there’s no wage garnishment potential. Best case they have physical property of value. If they are a renter or everything is in the name of a family member, you’re pretty much SOL from my understanding.

[SillyHorse]

@RavtoadOH

Cant really discuss that here, unfortunately. Attorney is well aware of the situation.

Good. And don’t engage further with the poster here who endlessly continues to needle you.

[endlessclimb]

it does make a heck of a lot more sense now, why OP was trying to get the woman to outright admit stuff. If I’d have known the ulterior motive, it wouldn’t have been quite so questionable.

[MorganSercu]

It sounds as though OP is being harassed by the seller, and/or seller is pished that OP has named the horse, found and linked videos and generally is letting it be known he has big problems. Not that OP is looking for bucks from the seller. Although I wouldn’t fault OP for seeking reimbursement for co-pays. Unlikely to collect but it may be worth giving it a try.

May he land softly before someone is injured still more seriously.

[IPEsq]

I’m not totally sure because he moved east and then the owner took him to New Bolton, and I got their findings second hand and know he was retired immediately following that exam. But on xray, his neck was riddled with arthritis, he had ECVM, and one of the lower vertebrae looked moth eaten, not just missing the lower part, for lack of the technical term. But his symptoms wound up looking like spinal cord compression, which at his age wouldn’t be wobblers but probably a complication from the arthritis. The bolting wasn’t the first tell, but he had mild, shifting, and unblockable hind limb lameness that would come on intermittently, usually showing up as trouble holding a lead behind or cross firing. After the bolting started, the lameness also moved to the front end. And there were days I couldn’t pick out a front foot without him trying to sit down. Some days he couldn’t back up at all. But then maybe you wait 20 minutes and try those things again, and he’d be fine. He did the electric butt scoot with me a number of times (the vets here advised we keep working him to make him fit for the move), and the one day he did it from the walk with me he was able to somewhat settle and finish the ride, but by that point, we had also been doing a lot of groundwork with him to try to bring him down when he’d get freaked out like that. He was generally willing to please. The bolting and the lameness symptoms did not seem to coincide, and he bolted less the more the neuro deficits became clear. One day he started limping in front after we had been doing w/t and poles for a while, shifting legs, and then was unable to back up, and he was calm as could be, even when he had some trouble walking on uneven footing back to the barn (I got off) until he snapped out of it and regained control of his legs.

Neuro disease progresses differently in each case. I’d exercised this horse for years with no problems. He went downhill pretty fast once symptoms started.

[RavtoadOH]

Thank you, this was educational and helpful. I’m sorry you had to go through that, it sounds like a heartbreaking situation. Not to mention you did everything possible to help in the meantime.

[RavtoadOH]

You sure have an ulterior motive with ME, don’t you?

Absolutely not the case. I just wanted the owner to do the right thing morally if she was going to continue to reach out and push the situation. That didn’t happen. I have months and months of rehab out of this before I can get on a horse again or not be in pain, not mention an ER visit with extensive diagnostics.

I didn’t do anything wrong here. If you’re going to attack someone, go find the owner.

[RavtoadOH]

100% in that vid. He looked like a completely different horse when I saw him both times. Free moving and quite nice. He was a tad hollow through the back under saddle the first time but I was expecting that considering he wasn’t being ridden and had some “great” moments on the first ride.

[SillyHorse]

I repeat, don’t engage further with the poster here who endlessly continues to needle you.

[endlessclimb]

Should be interesting to see how it turns out.

The fact that you were using faulty tack that failed might be a hiccup. Maybe you could sue M. Toulouse too, because you might not have come off if your reins hadn’t snapped in 4 places.

Best of luck!

[Aussie_2020]

@RavtoadOH Never in a million years would I have guessed this thread would take the swings that it has. You’ve been a good egg to continue to update us all and I really appreciate it. I’ve had a terrier follow me on a thread before constantly nipping and yapping. Normally in that situation I’d aim a kick at the dog but I think your light humor has this all under control.

[endlessclimb]

If you’re actually looking to collect money, you should be suing the farm you were riding on. They will have insurance and you might actually luck out. You had mentioned he was hauled in.

Did you sign a liability waiver with the farm?

In my experience that’s who the liability waiver goes to. Whenever someone else has ridden my horse, they sign a farm liability waiver, not a personal one.

[RavtoadOH]

Thank you, I appreciate it

[RavtoadOH]

Warning for all in the HJ community:

This horse is still being posted for sale on various groups with intentional misspelling of the sire’s name and removal of the horse’s name so it can’t be searched as easily and zero mention of behavioral issues. This post was made the SAME day I after ended up in the ER after he bolted. If anyone is in the OH or NKY area, please make sure people are in the know. I don’t want anyone else to be hurt.

[dags]

Damn, that’s my neck of the woods. Have been following along and appreciate the heads up about this shyster. Fortunately it doesn’t look like that post gained much traction but will certainly keep an eye out for new posts. He’s very cute and I could see him getting a lot of play if she posted an even halfway decent photo of him.