Turnout: horses going out and coming in without being led?

Not necessarily true in all cases, or small herds.
My setup is the same as @Janet - free access to stalls 24/7/365.
My mini - who has his own stall & knows it - routinely goes in with the 16h Walker < Herd Boss.
They share hay until I dispense grain, then mini goes into his own stall. Finishes his grain, then goes back to Walker’s stall.
Even if Walker has not finished his grain, there’s no aggression besides the occasional flattened ear or sideye <- Walker to mini.
Mini never tries that with the 13h Hackney, though they get along fine turned out.

Hackney will make faces at the Walker, but only through the grille between stalls.
Walker largely ignores this insubordination, but on the very rare occasion, will leave his stall, “evict” the Hackney for a minute or two, then return to his own stall.
Never any biting, kicking or other violence, but the Message gets sent & received.

Years ago, a large boarding barn had a group they called The Retirees. All aged.
Some 10-15 horses routinely were turned out by opening door at the end of the aisle that led to their turnout, then opening their stall doors.
Group walked sedately down the aisle & into pasture.
”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹Process was reversed to bring them in, all filed down the aisle & back into their stalls.

Generally speaking I don’t move horses between stalls and pastures as they mostly live in/out 24/7. But I have one pen that I occasionally move horses from in dry weather. And I think every horse I’ve had in that situation has “put themselves to bed” at night on their own. This is my then-4yo gelding doing just that a couple of summers ago:
https://youtu.be/je1HD6nYqME

It certainly wouldn’t be done if there was any running or scrambling.

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I did NOT say all 14 came in at once, I said seven from one pasture then the other seven from the other pasture. Maybe I should have spelled it out in more detail that once the first seven were in the stalls, the other seven were allowed to come thru.

There were two people most of the time - husband and wife who owned the facility.

Of course the horses knew the routine - that’s the whole point - teaching them a routine. There weren’t any stallions and no horses under three years - they had brains and were happy to use them, given the chance.

I could get on my soap box about the importance and benefit of some sort of routine but I’m pretty sure the people who fly by the seat of their pants wouldn’t listen anyway:)

This is what I get for assuming experienced horse people knew what I was talking about. Whether or not anyone wants to believe seven horses were generally well mannered soldiers coming in/out of the barn is not important to me. Three of those 14 horses were mine and they continued those good manners when I was able to get them back home again, and the fourth addition quickly fell into the routine.

It works well at my private barn with 4 horses. The barn aisle is open to the field all the time, and at feeding time they all have their little routine. They are fed in their stalls in order of dominance, and this is what they do: Horse 1 goes right in her stall and waits. Horse 2 stands by the gate in the aisle until I’m ready to enter, then turns and goes in her stall to meet me there. Pony 3, who has been hovering outside, comes in at that point. Pony 4 has snuck into his stall whenever he saw an appropriate opening and will be there waiting for me.

I would be wary of this practice as a boarder, or anywhere where the herd changes regularly. At my house, 3 of my 4 were added after this system was in place with my original 3, but it was done one at a time, years apart, and the most dominant one has been here the whole time.

Never. My horse got seriously injured years ago from this practice, back when I was still boarding. I was not told that the barn help was opening gates and allowing the horses to turn themselves in to the stalls every morning so I am not sure exactly how long it was happening. But apparently almost all of the horses aside from one or two were being brought inside this way as they apparently walked in cooly and quietly one after another. That is, until the one day my horse did not. She got a little excited one morning and took a little canter to the barn, hit the concrete, and slipped and fell. Her hock swelled up three times bigger than normal. The vet found nothing on xrays but she was dead lame and required weeks of stall rest and therapy and rehab to bring back slowly. Even though xrays were clean, it was that hock that 9 years later revealed arthritis so significant it ended her career. Horses should always be led in and out. 364 incident free days is not worth 1 potential catastrophe.

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If concrete is involved, it’s a bad idea. Agreed. The path for my horses is a straight shot of grass barn yard to the shed row hall with textured mats. I’m sorry about your mare.

It’s fine for the right mix of horses and the right barn situation where stall assignments are pretty static. Horses really appreciate a routine. I do this with two groupings of 3 horses each at my own place. Everyone knows where their stall is and doesn’t fly in going 90mph. Only the youngsters are occasionally bratty about checking out what is is in someone else’s stall but usually all it takes is me growling at them to let them know they messed up and need to self-correct.

I’ve known boarding barns who did this with large groups and saw it as an accident waiting to happen. Some horses are definitely better about it than others and all it takes is one idiot who just has to bolt from pasture to stall, to get the others fired up into doing the same.

Thank you, I lost her just a few months after the hock diagnosis very suddenly and unexpectedly to colic. She was a great partner to me for 10 years.

In my opinion a slick patch of wet grass is just as much of a hazard. Everyone manages their farm and their horses differently based on their personal experiences and what works and does not work for them though. Unfortunately I learned a hard lesson on what does not work for me in regards to turning out and in but some people will go a hundred years without the same accident.

From what I was told, the barn helper always let in only one horse at a time and mine was not galloping or frantic or even in much of a hurry that day she fell. It just happened as an unfortunate circumstance. And now that I own my own farm, I minimize risks every single teeny place I can. =]

I don’t think it would be a good idea at a boarding barn but it’s what I do at home with my 3. Their very large shed is attached to the barn by a man door. I open the man door, call them, and they file in and go to their own stalls. Reverse the process when it’s time to go back out.

I had to ask that my boarding barn stop doing this with my three retiree girls.

They go out alone in their own field and were allowed to race in to their stalls like maniacs. I put a stop to it the day one of the three refused to walk into the barn with me in a halter and lead rope without trying to take off toward her stall. The chain went over her nose and we had a schooling session that never should have been necessary in an 18-y-o horse that’s lived with me since she came off the track as a 4-y-o.

We do this but they have paddocks off each stall that open into the pasture, so they come and go as they please, they are used to this so there is rarely any mad dash to the barn. I did see this once at a barn where they horses came in from pasture directly into the center aisle of the barn to their stalls, I saw them running up from the field headed to the barn. It was a bit scary, they knew the routine and all went to their stalls but I wouldn’t like doing it this way.

This one point is key to the routine. The herd hierarchy has to be understood and respected. Even horses that are not turned out in the same paddock, but are near each other, have an order of dominance. This is just as important to turning out as it is when bringing in.

A lower-ranked horse passing a higher-ranked horse is a recipe for an injury. That’s especially true if there isn’t enough space for the lower horse to quickly get away. This is one of the first horse lessons I was ever taught, since as a beginner kid I used to be at the barn when the horses were let in, and let out. If a clueless lower-rank horse was trying to pass, that was when the dressage or longe whip needed to send them back (the younger ones in particular didn’t always know their manners).

A lower-ranked horse that is being led, and who is directed to very closely pass a higher-ranked horse, may be very anxious about it, and may jump away from the higher-ranked horse right on top of the human.

I suspect that horses that are galloping in to their stalls are not entering in order of rank, and that is creating a lot of anxiety for each horse to get in front of certain other horses. And, of course, whatever they do repeatedly quickly becomes a habit, regardless.

Another thing that has to be understood is that loose horses can behave very differently, more aggressively and impulsively, than horses that are haltered and being led. Just as with the teenage boy in the quote above, it can be dangerous to get amongst the loose horses, with or without one’s own horse. What if the mare had accidentally caught the boy with that kick? Even if it was glancing? People who don’t understand and respect the herd dynamic are definitely operating unsafely.

When I was a teenager I boarded at a barn that did this with a large number of horses, like 40-50 or so. There was a dirt/gravel alley between all of the private and semi-private paddocks, which led to the larger mare and gelding fields at the back.They put up ropes between the two barns to keep horses from running off down the asphalt driveway. They’d put grain in the stalls then open the pasture gates.

One day my father and I arrived to find my horse running around loose because he had jumped the rope between the barns. Escapes aside, it was so unsafe for dozens of horses to be running on concrete and asphalt. These horses did not sedately walk up to the barn. Many of them would also go into random stalls along the way to grab a bite of grain, and sometimes the rightful occupant would arrive and crowd in too.

Definitely not safe in those circumstances.

Actually I realized I worded that badly. It was the teenaged boy that got kicked and spent time in the hospital.

My mare was boarded at a place where the owner did this, but there were only 5 horses in the field directly adjacent to the barn and they were all pretty docile. Any door that wasn’t someone’s stall was closed, the aisle was always clear of wheelbarrows/straw bales/other debris, and the horses weren’t permitted through at any pace more than a brisk walk. A couple other horses in the same stable, but in a field that didn’t connect to the barn, were led by hand.

The horses never got pushy about it, and like others have said everyone learns pretty quickly where their stall is located. It would be highly dependent on the dynamics of the group whether it could be done safely or not, and there is definite risk mitigation that has to go into it. I think the flooring in the barn would play a pretty critical role.

This was at a pretty quiet partial-care barn where the BO was the one doing the bring-in procedure every day, but when I moved to full care where there was barn help there were definitely people leading in/out from the fields, even with similar barn set-ups. I would never risk someone inexperienced doing it, but I was paying budget board at the time so you get what you pay for. Today I probably wouldn’t be comfortable with it.

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I was at a barn visiting (my horses are home) and I was horrified that they were let in to find their own stalls - until I saw it in real life. This was a large boarding ban and somehow it worked. Once I saw how the horses behaved, I decided not to be so Pony Club about it. If you have never see it work, a person should just do the system that keeps them comfortable.

Of course we can believe that the horses were generally well-mannered. My point is that it’s not because the handler made it so. And therefore, has no control if/when they are not well-mannered, for whatever reason.

That’s the point.

I do it with my horses as well (in a Dutch door setting). I don’t think a boarding barn should take this risk with someone else’s horse. (The story above is the reason why - one day, one of the horses was not well mannered and fell, causing significant injury.)

I do this with my 3 at home, no boarders. The 4th is a teeny 36 inch mini in his own pasture and run in shed. My 3 file in, in the appropriate pecking order, to their own stalls. They very quickly learned the routine and are a stable little herd. I take each out their stall for flyspray, brushing, general whatevers for each feeding. The only problem I have is with the Boss Barn Kitty playing chicken.
Right now I use 3 paddocks to save my pastures. Even though they are out 24/7, they are completely off one pasture, and only on the other about 12 hours a day. I lead them to the paddock and let them come in on their own by opening gates. FWIW, you can never have too many gates. My fence guy thought I was crazy, but he doesn’t have horses.
If someone else needs to feed, they can simply open gates and stall doors to come in and go out for all feedings (to one pasture).I always worry that someone will have to step in for an emergency and don’t need them trying to handle the foolish OTTB or Rhino paint.

When I was a kid I was at a mess of a place that did this. Traumatized for life by seeing several barn kitties trampled in the mad dash to the stalls, several just injured and left to suffer. One of many horrors at that place.

I can see it could be done safely with established herds and good horse people. But if you decide to try make sure any smaller animals are locked away!

While I have ‘witnessed’ this method / going & coming and it was ok
I, myself do not feel I have enough

  1. good luck
  2. nerves of steel
  3. access to immediate vet services
  • safer to escort my ‘treasures’ outside and back inside.