I’m not buying the- I was meanspirited to make a point with bullies.- Sabine is not a bully she just disagreed with people who are not used to having people challenge them. You , on the other hand are a bully, telling people to’shut up’ and that they 'need a man ’ or are mentally ill and so on because they disagree with you…Can’t be too good for business.
No, Politically Correct, I’m not buying it either. It’s an excuse for acting like an a**hole.
Moderators, why is it OK for Politically Incorrect to insult people, call them names, say they’re mentally ill, etc?
I don’t think it’s an issue for the moderators. I think it’s good that the moderators rarely get involved with this stuff. We have"Ignore", if necessary.
That said, if you have a complaint , you should send it to the moderators rather than posting it here. It’s not like they are actually reading this stuff, poor things.
I have this vision of PI sitting astride her steed with a milkshake in one hand and a large order of fries in the other as the horse lowers itself onto a huge beanbag chair. Ahh, the visual is so powerful!
Once PI has stuffed her face, the steed gets up and performs 200 perfect piaffe steps, follwed by an immediate canter pirouette around the dog’s water dish, all without spilling a drop of the milkshake!! The raw power of this brings on completely new emotions… This is round-pen performance at its finest! The spectators have gathered around waving their lava lamps in silent awe…
But the piece de resistance comes when PI takes a huge swallow from her shake, slides of her steed, and commands him to lie down and roll over. AAAAHHHHHHH… the crowd is mesmerized. But wait, what is she doing now? No, it can’t be! The spectators go crazy, some faint from all the excitement… PI and her mighty steed who is still on his back, are playing PATTY CAKES!!! The lava lamps are swinging like mad and the crowd is howling in appreciation of this incredible performance. Patty Cakes - a FIRST in dressage!
I actually think some of what PI’s last post has some value. And I say the following not to be disagreeable or be offensive, but just an opinion. Not that I’m a great educator by the way… I’m a nobody in the grand scheme of things, and I say many of the things I do in defence of my friends and mentors, who are indeed professionals working their asses off.
I just want to say the circus dressage, I HAVE seen a person try it at my barn… because it looks so, you know fricking impressive. My point is, this is not real dressage, and you’re hindering the real development of a horse and a rider if dressage is actually what you intend to do. BUT… if you think, hey let’s do some tricks for fun! Or like PI say, I want my horses to be very very well socialised, and work off the ground perfectly, my horses work at movie sets etc., totally different story.
That certain individual at my barn who teaches her horse how to piaffe and spanish walk, she doesn’t even ride him on the aids ever even in working gaits. When to a dressage clinic, being shred to pieces and boy was she furious. This is not dressage, this is up side down dressage, that is my point. High school movements are demonstration of progressive atheletic development and continuous elevation of the forehand. So if you claim your horse can do levade, you better be able to ride him in all collected gaits and all movements that comes before levade, if not, sorry, that’s not levade that you’ve done. It is important to make that distinction, because you want to see the vision, the essence of this exercise.
I’m worried to see, see I can make my horse rear and trot in the same spot, oh I am doing dressage and let me show you how it’s done. I hope that’s not the case.
And to give the circus dressage people some credit, there are plenty of current dressage competitors commit the same crime of doing up side down dressage. This is a heated debate and very relevant to the development of this sport, welfare of horses and even breeding. but let’s not discuss it here.
I shall shut up now.
Folks I just came back from a farm where the horse was tied up for four hours. According to the trainer he has to learn. I stated my objection. While cleaning a stalls I had to the listen the horse basically cry. Folks you don’t want this done to you? Don’t do it to a horse. If this happens again I will call the owner and tell him to take all of his horses else where. Folks don’t be mean to God’s creatures.
This thread is 13 years old.
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It was a fun read of an old trainwreck.
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Yeah, and 13 years later it’s still a trainwreck topic 
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There are so many posters from 13 years ago that aren’t here now and I just realized I miss them.
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Sonny’s mom, agree. I miss Eggy
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It is definitely a hot debate. I myself, will only tie with a tie ring. I have personally seen someone’s horse break its neck trying to free itself tied to a tree in some of the methods proposed within this thread. I won’t personally take that risk. However, I also do teach them to tie (with the ring), in a safe setting, with me present, and have never had issues with them learning to stand patiently tied. Another issue of them setting back tied to something solid with no give or possible way of a release, are injuries to the neck and poll. I have seen many a horse put their poll out setting back tied (of course, their owners were also owners who didn’t teach them to stand properly tied in the first place).
eggy is alive and well and on the FEI committee :winkgrin:
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Calling the clients of your employer and telling them to move their horses is a great way to ensure you are seeking new employment. Are you sure that the client did not approve it? Was it actually 4 hours or felt like a long time because you perceived it as distressing? Was this a horse tied in the sun with no shelter and a nylon halter or in a stall with a breakaway and access to water?
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Ssshhhhhh!
I can’t hear my horses crying with all this chatter :mad:
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Lmao. Horses aren’t people. You can’t say “I wouldn’t tie up a person so I won’t do it to my horse.” You’re also probably not keeping people fenced in fields or locked stalls or riding them either. Horses do need to learn to stand tied. I don’t get why it’s something people are so against.
Also, old thread.
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My opinion from 13 (Good God) years ago still stands! My horses tie, and sometimes I will leave them tied to the trailer while I go and get scores, go to the potty, walk my course, etc. My new pony does not tie well when something scares him so I’m using a blocker type device, but I still tie him. Sometimes to the trailer for 8 hours during a show! I don’t tie overnight when we go camping, but I do use an electric pen. Oh the horrors! I am often alone, so tying and loading is important to me.
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Hi Seigi,
I ride dressage, but there’s a NH trainer who works out of the barn who regularly ties his horses to the roundpen while he works each individually. I have barn sat many times and watched him work. The tying teaches a horse to patiently wait. ALL horses can pull back and escape if they feel they need to - they aren’t actually tied but the rope is wrapped around the rails. He has “tied” my horse several times, it teaches my horse to “wait”. The horses haven’t given up at all, they have to wait for direction and learn to wait. This is especially effective for horses who want to react, not wait, and freak out at things unimportant. I would suggest that I horse that broke it’s neck tied to a tree didn’t know how to wait and had little self-preservation. With a good trainer, horses aren’t “suddenly” tied to a tree and ignored.
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Oh shoot, I fell for a resurrected thread. Sorry!
That’s OK!
Just laughing at it.
I had a gelding who would stand in cross ties forever. but if he felt you were challenging him, tying him to a telephone pole with a heavy nylon halter wouldn’t keep him there. How do I know? He shredded one heavy nylon halter, then just stood there. My fault, he sensed a dare.
Strangers crossing his field? He made a nasty big watchdog look like a pushover. Put a novice on him, he was an angel. Let an educated rider get on him, and Fourth level work could appear.
He was. thank goodness, unique.
Different approaches are needed for different horses, but they must, if asked, stay put quietly.
