ugh, attempted trail ride with ottb

IMO you evaluate a horse for purchase and use on three criteria:

Temperment
Conformation
Way of going

Sadly a huge number of OTTBs fail on the first criteria. This is not such a surprise, as they were bred and born for one thing: running fast.

Put another way, genetics counts.

The training they receive re-inforces this breeding.

A percentage can sometimes do other things (hunting, dressage, jumping) but a really distressingly large number seem to be unable to get past their breeding and training.

Some horses are never going to make good trail mounts. They just don’t have the temperment for it. If that’s the case the owner should sell them and find one that does. Trying to fit this “square peg into a round hole” leads to frustration and, not infrequently, injury. It’s just not worth it.

G.

Yes and no.

Yes, they are bred to run fast. And yes, their training generally reinforces their genetic predisposition, although I’ve gotten TBs from trainers who did put a good training base on them and I’ve ridden OTTBs that were quiet from day one.

I’d have to disagree with you that genetics is the deciding factor for a “huge number” of thoroughbreds, though. In my opinion, you need to factor into the equation that many people who buy OTTBs have no experience retraining them and often buy them because they are inexpensive. They don’t have the budget to buy a horse with more training and this translates to not having the budget to help them retrain it. In addition, not everyone has access to a trainer with experience retraining OTTBs. (Note: I am not trying to make any kind of statement about the OP here, this is just what I’ve observed over time).

I see many people through my association with CANTER who have excellent systems for retraining OTTBs in a methodical way that gives them the chance to learn their new jobs and excel. When I got my first OTTB my trainer at the time had many years of experience with TBs and had a good system for bringing one along. I thank her over and over again for the knowledge she imparted.

As for new careers, I personally see a lot of OTTBs out in the hunt field (I also ride one) and they not only can go out on trail rides, they can do it surrounded by hounds, horses and at speed. When I evented, I certainly saw many OTTBs there as well.

But, they are not for everyone and you do need to understand going into the purchase that significant retraining may be required and be prepared to follow through.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement: Some horses are not suited for what the rider wants to do. At that point often the best solution is to move on and find a home for the horse with a job that it likes.

I think you must make him brave…only you know that there is no fence between you and <insert scary place…woods,road,graveyard,boogeyman lodging> :slight_smile: you must ride him like you have him between your leg and the rail right there at the house…

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My ottb is a great trail horse- when I got him I spent 6 weeks in the round pen walk-whoa walk whoa walk trot walk whoa. and when I knew we had excellent brakes spent the next 6mo trail riding him before we started any “real” retraining. I think though that he was broke very correctly to have a riding horse job after his racing days were finished (which was good because they barely got started before he was dismissed) so I can’t take all of the credit but we also did a lot of desensitizing on the ground. But I have found that 1 he does not like big groups- we are good up to 4 or 5 horses more than that is overload, and 2 he does not like to be surrounded by horses, he will lead and he will follow the group but he does not like to have horses in front and in back of him. He is so good that we often take the babies out for their first trail ride with him, unless like the other poster mentioned there are going to be cows- the one thing I can’t get him over even after sharing a fence line for 4 months with a whole herd of beefers!

hmmm. Very interesting perspectives here. :smiley: When I got him, I got him because I wanted to get myself something to enjoy riding, as well as give a homeless animal a home. I did a lot of research relating to tbs before adopting him, and feel like I went in with eyes wide open. I knew/know that there will be speed bumps in our journey, I just want to vent about it. I also don’t think it hurts to get some wise opinions of those who have been there/done that, so I did. :slight_smile: Someone posted (I think “Gwendolyn”) on another thread, that when others ask her what she will do with her young horse, she says, “Whatever my horse wants to!” I am in that camp with my boy. If he is/we are not meant to be trailblazers, because it is out of our capabilities, then fine, we won’t. I am just not sure if we CAN’T yet. By the way, to those who have ties to southeastern MA, any recommendations for ottb-savvy trainers who will give trail mileage? Thanks again for your insight, everyone! Keep it comin’!

BTW, I did think about working him before we went to get the edge off, but I ran out of time, and my friend showed up with the trailer!

I forgot what I had ment to say- as soon as I start bragging about my boy that happens :). Is there anywhere that you can go with trails that also has a ring? We had some places that had trails but also held some shows so maybe you could find a place like that- trailer there ride in the ring and then go out on the trail when you feel like he’s paying attention?

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Wish someone like you were closer! I wouldn’t say that riding a more experienced horse would do much. I have been riding forever, but am just a cautious/conservative/chicken by nature. This guy has brought me further though, than any other horse in my riding, as green as he is. :yes:

I did venture a bit away from the trailer. We (me and my friend with the steady eddie) took turns going around the parking area. Then we went through the gate (WAAAAHHH! What was that? Let’s get out of here!!), and let them eat grass in the field for a bit. During this part, he was pretty naughty.

It is nice to hear that you guys have had positive experiences. Thanks![/QUOTE]

I really, really wish that 10 years ago when I got my OTTB (my first horse) and wanted to work to make him a good trail horse that one of my horse friends would have pushed me to send him to a trainer to put miles on him. If you really are a cautious rider – if you can afford to send him to a trainer – do it. Once they’ve done that, work with that trainer out on trail for a month or two. This will put you and your horse more on even ground, with him having a little trail time under his belt. Your confidence won’t be undermined by his nervousness at starting out, and he’ll build confidence out there with someone who’s an expert and knows the OTTB mind. :yes:

Well, not sure if this is helpful but I am the proud owner of an OTTSTB :slight_smile: And people have always told me that Standardbreds are quiet, no problem at all to trail train…well, they hadn’t met my guy yet :slight_smile: He is high strung (now in his twenties and STILL prancing around with his tail held high) and just a spooky kind of guy. Well, I’m not experienced and lack confidence, so the blind leading the blind. But guess what, we made it out onto the trails eventually, it just took us longer than it would have taken maybe an experienced rider.
I just did a ton of ground work (natural horsemanship and anything to keep busy…), then lots of undersaddle in the arena and finally I just handwalked him along with a couple of friends who were trail riding. Then I just tacked him up and walked him, until I felt, hey, he seems pretty calm, I’ll hop on him and see for how long we can make it…eventually we made it the whole ride.
My friend (who has been a professional dressage trainer for over 20 years) just told me recently:
I’ve never regretted once getting off a horse but many times have I regretted NOT getting off :slight_smile:
So there, if it gets tricky, just get off and try again when both of you are calmer.
This above mentioned friend by the way just brought her OTTB to my barn and just took him out for his first trail ride ever, as if it was nothing…so there, you never know :slight_smile:

2boys:

I think you’ve have gotten some excellent advice from some experienced OTTB owners. I don’t happen to be one, but I’d like to make a suggestion that would be good for any owner interested in trail riding skills. In my area ( the NW ) we have trainers that have " trail challenge " courses set up and offer clinics to teach trail skills to all levels, from the novice who just wants to mosey safely down the trail to competitive riders. These courses consist of natural-looking obstacles set up in an arena; wooden bridge, water-filled trench, boulders, stumps, etc… There is usually a gate to open, a tarp or two to walk on, etc… It’s lots of fun and can be done in-hand as well as in the saddle.

Naturally, this doesn’t take the place of " real " trail riding practice, but it’s a fun, safe beginning to help a horse and rider gain some initial confidence. And you might meet a new trail partner or two!:yes:

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I will try to answer as many questions as I can. He has been off the track for a while. He was at a rescue in a field for five months before I adopted him in September of 2007. We have been creeping along in his training, with me working so hard to understand him. We are doing so great together in the ring. He is one of the best horses I have ever ridden-smart and wants to please. He is quite a confident guy too. When something new is introduced (tarps, bikes, etc), he can’t get to it fast enough to explore. He is a big puppy with me now when in his comfort zone. We have had to work through his dominant personality, as I am naturally passive and he is naturally strong-willed. We have come to an understanding though, and although I know it is an ongoing relationship, I feel good about the growth we have made. Realistically, to get on real trails, I need to ship him out (which is what we did yesterday), but I am planning to clear the acre of woods behind the barn here, to work on tight spaces, things brushing against his tummy (that really pissed him off yesterday). My expectations were too high I guess. I was hoping for the pussycat I have at home. I hear these wonderful stories of people taking their horses out for the first time, and they are angels. I was hoping that would happen to me! I did go with a been-there-done-that horse, which was good. My boy did settle pretty quickly and relaxed while munching grass. It was anytime we did something -anything else, he would turn into dinosaur-neck monster.:confused: I am contemplating sending him to someone who will give him a ton of miles, but I do not have the funds for that now. I also know that I am the one who will have to ride him out there eventually. Here is another question; Is it a waste of time to have someone else put mileage on him, when I will ultimately be riding him? I am a cautious rider/horse person, but work very hard to present as a confident leader for him (I know someone here mentioned that). I read a lot of Jane Savoie. :sadsmile:[/QUOTE]

I haven’t read all the posts, so this advice may have been offered before.

First I would look at his diet – many TBs can be amped up pretty good by grain. Also – his down time is spent in a large pasture or turn-out or is he stalled? Most (not all) TBs are high energy, reactive horses – they were bred to race – so it could be he is abit over fed for his activity level.

Second, he got trailered to the trail head, correct? You didn’t just ride him off the property?

So, how often does he get trailered to new places? Is that a common experience for him?

Lastly, you can’t underestimate the power of the herd. I’ve had horses start to get anxious when I took them to the end of the driveway – and these were horses that were total buddas in THEIR pasture or THEIR arena.

I did the same thing with one of my mares, and it was one of the STUPIDEST horse-related things I’ve ever done. She was always so mellow at home – I wrapped her in a hay tarp once for fun – so I did NO prep work for her registry inspection as a 4 yr. old. So that day I put the bridle on (first time in 1 yr), took her off the property away from her herd (1st time in 2 yrs.), trailered her to a strange stable, and stabled her overnight. The next morning she was an absolute nutcase!!! I have never seen this mare behave like that before or since.

Almost caprioled one of the inspectors in the noggin (!) and when her turn to show off her paces came, she tore around the arena like Secretariat on meth. She was a total booger and just barely in my control.

As a result, she just missed score high enough for Elite status – and that’s a shame 'cause she’s a nice mare.

Turns out she was ovulating that day, and the horse in the stall behind her was a breeding stallion – I’m sure that didn’t help either.

But the point is, we can never forget they ARE horses. You need to go back and take smaller steps. Try hand-walking him to the edge of your property if you can. Trailer him more – and walk him around if you don’t feel safe riding him.

I’ve never done it, but attending one of these “De-Spook Your Horse” clinic might be helpful if it’s correctly taught. From what I hear it helps you and your horse learn how to deal and face scary situations. You can’t possibly pre-expose a horse to each new thing, but you CAN teach him (and you) how to deal with panic in the horse. Then it doesn’t really matter what sort of new thing you see out there.

Maybe sent him out for trail training – there are people in my area that will concentrate on trail for your horse. You DO have to be able to ride out whatever the horse gives you, however, although these days the tendency is to expect the horse to just behave all the time. But they are horses, and so they shall always remain.

I love TBs – I spent over 10 years on the track doing everything from galloping to walking hots to grooming to training. I developed a great fondness for them. Now I have other “hot” breeds (Arabs & Akhal Tekes), but I can still admire a really solid TB.

Good luck.

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First I would look at his diet – many TBs can be amped up pretty good by grain. Also – his down time is spent in a large pasture or turn-out or is he stalled? Most (not all) TBs are high energy, reactive horses – they were bred to race – so it could be he is abit over fed for his activity level.

Second, he got trailered to the trail head, correct? You didn’t just ride him off the property?
So, how often does he get trailered to new places? Is that a common experience for him?

But the point is, we can never forget they ARE horses. You need to go back and take smaller steps. Try hand-walking him to the edge of your property if you can. Trailer him more – and walk him around if you don’t feel safe riding him.

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He gets about 1/2 quart of Purina Strategy each day. :slight_smile:

He was trailered to the trail site, and I know that this added to his stress. At least he didn’t sweat during the trailer ride this time!

I also set up a new grazing paddock for him, so that he is away from the others, and getting desensitized to more activity. I wish I could trailer him more…

If he was trailered to the races, this may have upped his nervousness that day. I’ve had a couple of those, and they get excited just by the trailer ride, thinking they are going to race. We had one at the lay-up farm who had to be tranqed to pull her mane because that reminded her of race day. The pulling itself didn’t seem to bother her, but she got more excited with each pull. It took us a while to puzzle out her strange reaction–she started pacing and sweating and nickering, not having a pain reaction.

Anyway, it might help to trailer him someplace, let him graze, lead him around, play with him, etc. then bring him home just in case he’s one who raced from the trailer. I didn’t think of that aspect of things.

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He gets about 1/2 quart of Purina Strategy each day. :slight_smile:

He was trailered to the trail site, and I know that this added to his stress. At least he didn’t sweat during the trailer ride this time!

I also set up a new grazing paddock for him, so that he is away from the others, and getting desensitized to more activity. I wish I could trailer him more…[/QUOTE]

A half quart isn’t so much ---- BUT ---- Strategy is 14% protein. I took my guy off Strategy and put him on a lower protein feed. My guy also dropped a lot into the aisle and that stuff molds in a dramatic fashion. Super Gross!

What kind of hay/forage does he eat?

Protein doesn’t make a horse hot; starch does. Strategy is pretty low in starch, but not the lowest out there. Half a quart is only about 3/4 lb which isn’t very much. I think that to meet a horse’s nutritional needs you need to feed about 3 lbs per day. Unless you are supplementing this with a vitamin/mineral mix you might want to consider feeding him slighly more or switching to a ration balancer if he doesn’t need the calories.

Personally, I feed my OTTB a ration balancer, alfalfa pellets and rice bran or corn oil.

I’ve played around with what to feed him and how to keep him in good weight without giving him rocket fuel.

My own OTTB also gets free choice grass hay and soaked alfalfa/timothy cubes. If your horse is prone to ulcers, feeding alfalfa can help both prevent and cure them. Plus, it’s considerably cheaper than Gastroguard!

Actually, lower protein made a difference with my OTTB. I fed free choice grass hay, plus he got beet pulp to keep weight on, and a bit of 10% sweet feed. I found that just withholding the sweet feed on hunt mornings was the difference between Mr. Oil-Painting-Over-The-Fireplace-Hunter and Secretariat.

I just got back from the first “solo” trail ride with my TB mare, and I must say I am completely thrilled. We did about 8 miles out in the hills around Morton Wa.
I was very concerned that without her buddy (security blanket) she would be a nutcase but she was actually better on the trail than she has ever been. Instead of concentrating on getting super close to the other horse, she was watching where she put her feet and felt a lot more controlled going down hills.

This mare is pretty laid back for an OTTB but she has only been doing trail for a couple of months. I’ve found that the trailering thing is significant with my horses, the more they go out, the more relaxed they are about it. I do have one that washes out every time we trailer her, unless I do it consistently (like several times a week).

Don’t give up on your TB, I think some of them just need a little more time to “get used to nature”! My six year old gelding, who was an awesome trail horse at three (before I sent him to the track) has been getting a little too hot on the trail for my taste, after a 10 mile ride last month I felt like I’d galloped five or six racehorses!

So, I sent him back to the guy that started him undersaddle for a few weeks for a refresher. I like to do that when necessary, as he is really good at working them thru silliness and teaching patience! (something I’m not so good at). He is currently learning to be roped off of and to not be deathly afraid of cows, hey, I figure every bit of experience he can get will help make him a better horse in the long run.

And I second whomever mentioned don’t be hesitant to get off and hand walk your guy if he starts getting too amped up, that just isn’t any fun and tends to feed on itself.

He gets a grassy mix of hay with NO alfalfa. Although he is forward-thinking, he is really not a hyper, stereo-typical tb. I don’t know how much his diet is a factor. He is very quiet at home, but new situations can get him strong (like this one in particular). Coincidentally, I think my kooky quarter horse has created some spookiness in him.

Regarding the trailer, it may be from his rides to the track that stressed him out. He also had a long ride from New Jersey to MA when I adopted him, which couldn’t have been relaxing.

“Certifiedgirl”, don’t rub it in. :lol:

I haven’t found protein to make my horses hot. In fact, IME, TB’s need more protein than most other breeds. Without it, they just don’t seem to muscle up the way they should. Perhaps what some are seeing on more protein isn’t an “amped up” horse but one who feels as well as he should. Perhaps the lower energy horses who are kept that way through lower protein are not quite themselves.

I have found excess sugar in the diet to be problematic. I’m careful about the NSC in anything I feed. Sugar is wasted calories that doesn’t add nutrition and messes with their systems. I deliberately add alfalfa to the TB’s diets to help keep their weight up. I have not noticed them getting nasty, overly pushy, or to have excess energy. My horses are on 24 hour turnout. That might make a difference.

Most sweet feeds are high in starch.

I also feed alfalfa both because it’s higher in calories and because it’s very effective at preventing/curing ulcers. I have a very anxious TB and I haven’t found that feeding alfalfa has caused any behavioral problems. In fact, quite the opposite. Mine is also on 24/7 turnout.

I deliberately add alfalfa to the TB’s diets to help keep their weight up. I have not noticed them getting nasty, overly pushy, or to have excess energy. My horses are on 24 hour turnout. That might make a difference.

Please consider sending your horse to someone (old cowboy preferably) who will put miles on your horse in a western saddle and a snaffle. I have done this with every one of my OTTBs and I’m confident my eventing trainers (one of whom posts here) would say it was a job well done.
The worst part about trying to do it yourself: Thoroughbreds, especially green ones, can be very unforgiving. And if you’re nervous, believe me, he’s going to feel it…times 100! If you aren’t confident when you’re riding him, he’s going to know it. You just can’t fake it with a thoroughbred.
Be safe!