UH OH! Are we prego? ---AHEM, YES!!!!

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How do you know she’s unattended either. Geez.[/QUOTE]

I wasn’t trying to be argumentative. I know that the OP is being very attentive but who has the resources to have a mare watched 24 hours a day for an unknown length of time unless they have a mare at a foaling facility? A mare can foal in 20 minutes time unexpectedly. We have all heard those stories right here on our “local” COTH channel! :slight_smile:

I hear so many folks talking about blanketing broodmares. It just seems unnecessarily dangerous to me so I chose to speak up. I try to err on the side of caution always. Anyone can ignore my advice if they like.

Take it off. They just seem to trap horseflies under them. Coat her in flyspray and call it macaroni.

Even a mare on active foal watch isn’t watched every second of every day. Not sheets or blankets for that reason.

Whoa, this thread got a lot of posts when I wasn’t looking.

Put it back on her for a total of 3 hours, then my turd of a gelding put ANOTHER rip on it by biting her over the fence. What. A. Jackass. I watched the turd do it while I was mucking her paddock.

So, due to that, she’s just not going to wear one. Sounds like the general consensus is that she shouldn’t anyway, but since hers is now ripped and needing repair, I guess it’s not an unhappy coincidence. LOL at least this way I won’t be tempted to put it back on her.

Ha, I’m actually tempted to install a fly sprayer system on that side of the barn to help her out, but I think I’ll just stick to mucking her paddock 2-3 times a day to keep the flies down. The flies aren’t super bad when she hangs out in the barn aisle that I’ve left open to her anyway, and she’s USUALLY pretty good about not pooping up in there. It’s convenient that I work from home to be able to keep checking on her!

Update?

Still no baby yet. I keep checking her milk every day and I’m a little more prepared now. She’s even bigger than she was, and is a good 100 lbs heavier than she usually is. I weight taped her this morning around her heart girth… am I supposed to be doing that differently now that she’s prego? At any rate, she weighed in at 1100 lbs instead of her usual 1000, and the weight tape no longer even reaches around the widest part of her belly. I thought we were going to have some action on Friday night and sat with her for an hour, but it was just a false alarm. Her bag is REALLY FULL now. Letting her stuff her face on a free choice round roll and upping her feed and giving her a mare and foal type of feed has really upped her weight distribution around her topline. She’s actually getting a little cresty in the neck, but I guess that’ll go quickly when baby comes and starts suckling?

Be careful with the chow; pony type mares & easy keepers often don’t need anything but good hay & a multi-vit till after they foal. I’ve had 2 Arab mares like this…they got nothing extra except a vit/min supplement till the foal was about 2-3 weeks old. The free choice hay was more that enough to keep them fat.

You don’t want them to founder…

Also, if you can express milk, start looking at it 2x a day and search this forum for the milking testing info.

Get a basic book on foaling from Amazon.com or your local library. Good luck!

The halters should be to you on Tuesday, tell her to hold on until then!

Ok, found this thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140453

Now I get how to use the pool strips and aquarium strips. Several people suggested those (thanks very much for the help, everybody!) and now I actually have a step by step of what to do and all the little details that I was kind of missing before.

Then this thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187957

So I’ve managed to get most of what I should have in my foaling kit. Why do I need an enema? Need to pick up more latex free gloves. Ran out of those, and I’m allergic to the latex ones we have left :frowning: Why do you need a towel clamp for the mare’s vulva? It’s listed in that second thread, and I’m not really sure why I’d need one. I put a pro-biotic paste for the baby in my shopping cart on Horse.com, but I might just go ahead and grab that from either the tack shop or the feed store if they have some in stock so I have it sooner.

My tent, back up tent, air mattress, and air mattress pump all came in. Many many thanks to the friend that loaned me the IR video cam and book! (I can haz baby book wif picturz! But seriously, thanks a bundle!).

Ok, found another thread with post foaling info that explained the enema thing. http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200542

So, I want it to pass the meconium, and to do so I give it an enema if necessary… what’s the best kind of enema to give it? What brands are considered safe?

More questions: Novalsan vs. Betadine vs. Chlorhexidine vs. Iodine (the tack shop owner suggested Triodine/Triiodine/whatever the spelling was) for dipping the umbilical cord. One recent article I read on a foaling website said Chlorhexidine (I have Hibiclens) over Iodine because of burns from Iodine. I see that Novalsan is advertised for cleaning dog/cat ears when I google it. Another friend mentioned that her mare had some kind of reaction (allergic I guess?) to Chlorhexidine, so she didn’t use that but I think she said she used Betadine instead. I have Hibiclens, should I purchase something else as backup? I ran out of betadine in my first aid bag in the barn, so I guess I need to get some more of that anyway to have on hand.

have been breeding for 10 years and never used an enema/never had a foal not pass meconium on their own. I personally use Novalsan (chlorhexidine) as it does not burn but iodine (which is in betadine) has been used successfully for a long time too.

Yeah, I knew that betadine has iodine in it, but someone said something about a certain percentage tincture of iodine to stay away from. Ha, now I’m going to have to go searching through craploads of email to remember which one it was…

So Novalsan IS chlorhexidine but the veterinary/animal version. I’m thinking i should be ok with Hibiclens then, since it’s also chlorhexidine but considered human grade I guess? I have that and the little bitty disposable paper dixie cup type of bathroom cups (you know, like kids rinse their mouths with after brushing their teeth) for dipping.

Picked up a baby bottle while I was out today and finally got myself a clear bin with a locking top and handle so I could get all my foaling gear and other first aid supplies organized. Haha, I’m all excited because both are cute and green…

I have no idea what a towel clamp is nor why you would need one for the mare’s vulva. You can clamp it with anything you want, the baby is coming out regardless! I always have three enema’s in my foaling kit. One saline and two mineral oil. The saline is usually enough to get the job done but is too irritating to do repeatedly so if more is needed I go to the mineral oil one. You need a five gallon bucket with a lid for the placenta. Deworm the mare after birth with ivermectin. Not sure why you would need gloves but guess it can’t hurt. I like baby wipes for cleaning up little messes and keep hand sanitizer for use before each milk test and any time your hands are dirty. Good luck!

Woot! Just talked to the vet. Looks like we’re going to be Thundercats Go! within 24-48 hours according to her visual signs. Been keeping up with her milk tests, and this morning the little square that tests hardness jives with the color that means Ca 250 ppm. The next square up, though, is 1000 ppm, so I don’t know what exactly it is, just that it’s high enough to cue the 250 color code. Her milk is still lemonade-ish looking with cloudy suspension that doesn’t settle. She’s also developing a small edema on the bottom of her belly, which showed in the foaling book as a sign of labor! So, hopefully baby within 48 hours! I’m about to run back down to the barn to check on her again, then I’m going to run by the vet and pick up some banamine for her to have on hand since I’m out. Vet said it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have it on hand, and when I read off my list of supplies that I already have (like a paranoid, mama twit), he laughed and said I’m pretty much green to go, now I just need to wait for baby to pop out. Dear Jesus Bejeezus, wish us luck! I’ll check in later, hopefully with baby pictures!

If you use iodine, you just want to use a weak version so you don’t burn the foal’s naval stump. You’ll want to dip it repeatedly for a few days to help it dry. I guess you know what to look for as the foal presents, if you happen to be there? I’ve had more foals that required an enema than didn’t, but give it some time and hopefully he or she will pass the meconium and then on to the real stuff. If you do use an enema, I usually use a child’s size – be very gentle and slow squeezing the contents inside the foal so nothing is ruptured. If you wipe off the mare’s udder, which is a good idea, just use plain water so when the foal starts looking for it, the right scent will come through. I like to give the mare a hot mash after foaling, also. Doesn’t have to be alot, just something. You’ll have to strip the stall pretty much once you gather up the placenta and containerize it. You know to foal on straw over shavings, I hope? Did you disinfect the stall and buckets?
Good luck!
PennyG

It sounds like more than 48 hours to me but it’s hard to tell for sure with a maiden mare. Best of luck to you both!

Like Laurierace, I would GUESS you still have 6-10 days going without a pH number (by far most important). Ours can hang in the 200’s on pH for a while, 10 days or more. Lemonade milk also indicates several days to go, but can also change quickly. Milk changing whiter and tasting sweet plus super sticky is good sign. Looking for pH at 6.2 or close before you will have baby :slight_smile: Of course, maidens don’t read the book so best you can do is just watch. It’s easier with our girls who have each had 4-6 foals for us and we know their routine. :slight_smile:

I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but what do you guys think a maiden mare knows, if anything, about what is about to happen? Is it all just instinct? Woke up thinking about this this morning.

Yeah, mama faked me out last night, so my fiance talked me into coming to bed at the house instead. Thankfully her udder is fuller today than it was yesterday. The day before yesterday, it was tight, then yesterday, it was suddenly loose, hence why I freaked and called the vet asking if I needed colostrum. He says he has some on hand that he’ll bring when he comes to test the IgG of the foal, whenever it decides to make its way out. If we need it, he’ll have it, but if we don’t, he’ll just keep it.

Milk is more cloudy today. Mama is sweeter, too. I dunno if it’s just because it’s not so beastly hot now after the rains or what, but she’s so much happier to stand and be rubbed today. Yesterday I was down there till after midnight, and she has plenty of mud on her from rolling in the paddock earlier in the day. She never rolled while I was watching her last night, though, so I went ahead and came back to the house. Still checking pH today, still not dropping where it’s expected to be right before she goes.

If she holds onto baby much longer, she’s going to go over the mark. I’ve had the vet and the hay guy both confirm that they couldn’t see any fescue in my pasture in the places they looked, but with 25 acres open field and the remainder of the 40 being wooded, it’s possible there is SOME out there that she could have been exposed to. With this being her first pregnancy and given that she’s now going longer, now I’m getting more antsy and really keeping my fingers crossed and saying a prayer against fescue toxicity. If possible cover date was somewhere between the beginning and middle of October but more likely closer to the beginning, at what point should I start worrying about her going over term? She’s been bagged up since the 15th or earlier of last month, or at least the 15th or 16th was when we noticed her being bagged up.

By the way, what about the belly edema? She has larger edema on her belly in front of her udder, and the book I have on loan, Foaling Primer, said that was actually a sign of labor? Does that occur before labor, too?

Antiseptic, check. Went with chlorhexidine instead of iodine, but I have betadine in my first aid kit, too, just in case. Dr. E said that the Hibiclens chlorhexidine should be fine.

Enema, check. I picked up a gentle enema and put it in my foaling kit to have as backup. Dr. E said to hold off unless necessary, so I’ll wait and see and wait a few hours first. I think the book said it should be passed within 3 hours?

Udder cleansing: I have ivory soap that I’ve started using because she objected a little to just plain water and rubbing initially. Should I continue with this for now until her pH drops and then switch to plain water to avoid removing scent?

Straw: Check. Picked some up from the feed store closest to me. Here’s a question, I’ve been letting her roam in the small paddock and letting her have free access to her stall and that barn aisle. Should I shut her in with the straw when foaling is imminent or should I leave her alone and let her foal in the paddock if she decides?

Milk: It’s not super sticky that I could say, but it’s definitely cloudier. Makes the whole suspension cloudy when I dilute it with the distilled water. The strips I picked up have a range that doesn’t tell me as much as I want to know. There’s a color block for <100 ppm, 100 ppm, 250 ppm, and then 1000 ppm. She triggers the color for at least 250 ppm, but not 1000. I don’t have any other colors in between that indicate a number in the middle, like 500. Her pH is still not below 7.

Ok, for people who have had maidens that foaled before, what were some of the anomalies you saw? What were some of the more extreme deviations from what was expected?

Edema is not a sign of labor in my opinion. I don’t understand how she could object to washing her udder with water but not with ivory soap. I don’t clean with anything most of the time, just make sure you wash or sanitize your hands and do not touch the end of the teat when you obtain your milk sample. Since you don’t really know what her calcium level is I would test the pH twice per day. All mares can change quickly but your pH indicates you aren’t close yet.