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I didn’t read every post – but aren’t human ulcers treated with antibiotics now? Does that work for a horse?
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There is zero evidence that equine ulcers are caused by a bacteria.
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If anything, I thought antibiotics can bring about ulcers in horses!
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Antibiotics are very rarely used for ulcers! After a year and a half of ulcer treatment (you can look through some of my back posts) my guy was given Sulfa antibiotics as a LAST resort, they did work but it was a gamble! The stomach ulcers had cleared so this treatment was a last ditch effort for his pyloric ulcers. Vet still thinks there was something else going on as his gut bacteria was always wacky but they never did figure it out,despite using him in a study that the university was doing. It takes many years to research and even then they may not fully understand the whys!
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Exactly. They’ve gone looking, and while they have found H. pylori in horses with ulcers, they’ve also found it in horses without, and have had ulcer horses not have any. There’s another H. bacteria they have found in the same setups. So, at this point, still no reliable correlation, let alone causation
It’s possible, though less likely than, say, NSAIDs. Antibiotics can certainly disrupt the microbial colony in the stomach, and while that’s more likely to cause diarrhea and a “queasy” stomach, ulcers are possible, though much less likely
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What has worked for my horse to keep ulcers from returning is super basic. As much turnout as possible, low carb grain and most importantly a huge nibble net. Small holes… so she is eating slowly but constantly. Research has shown that feeding hay this way is more effective for ulcer prevention than almost any supplement.
That said, purina has a new supplement out that has some really solid research behind it. It’s called Outlast. They have done studies on the Budweiser clydes (high stress lives, ulcer prone!) and the results are promising. I wouldn’t hesitate to try it.
@aascvt I’m actually trying my ulcery horse on Outlast right now! Our barn owner swears by it due to some really good experiences she has had with a horse of her own who was/is a tough case. Fingers crossed I have the same luck! (Though I probably won’t know for sure what does it – the Outlast, the medicine, switching up the feeding routine…or all of the above lol)
This is a new product that is helping a horse of mine who developed ulcers on stall rest.He had the omeprazole treatment and the ulcers have not returned.It’s called fibreprotect and this is a link to the research https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259437422_The_influence_of_two_lucerne-based_forage_feeds_FiberProtectR_and_FiberEdgeR_on_Equine_Gastric_Ulcer_Syndrome_in_horses
Are there any studies done on horses with chronic ulcers that improve when taken off of grain? I can’t help but think that this is the major culprit, especially for horses that aren’t under any stress and still get ulcers after treatment is completed. My OTTB can’t handle changes in grain, and seems to have ulcer problems every winter when forage is less and grain increases to keep his weight up. This winter I’m trying another approach: 1/2 ration of grain, the other 1/2 ration replaced with soaked beet pulp, 28 days of “generic” gastrogard full strength, 28 days half strenght. I’ll find out in 2 months if it works 
On another note, I think people are getting the whole omega 3 vs omega 6 study confused with corn oil and inflamation since its high in omega 6.
I was surprised to see that no one mentioned Succeed. I’ve had extremely good results with horses with severe ulcers (following treatment with gastro or ulcer-guard).
Maybe because nobody can afford it! :lol: That has GOT to be the priciest thing going in the supplement world. :eek: Very clever of them to jack the price up (there is nothing on the ingredient list that justifies this) because people certainly are willing to pay! For $45 a pound, I’d be expecting gold-plated poop.
Where are Succeed’s data, by the way?
Well since I don’t work for the company - I have no idea where the data are.
I am strictly sharing anecdotal experiences - since there are very limited data available on any ulcer supplements.
Has anyone mentioned BEET Pulp??
Due to the way beet pulp digest it helps keep the ph of the hind gut balanced,
isnt it true most problems start there, I have stronly experienced the use of beet pulp and Probiotics to keep ulcers down. I have also read recently that ulcer medications only work for a few hours ---- so they makes me wonder about all these expensive products are they just for us to feel good.
I have a mixture I make now and before a lesson or class I shoot a syringe full of the mix up. I do notice a difference. Just my experience.
But if you have ever given bute(an NSAID that blocks porstaglandins) to reduce pain or inflammation, then you are assuming that prostaglandins are associated with pain and inflammation, right?
And if corn oil increases prostaglandins then what???
Are these dose dependent effects, are there dfferent kinds of prostaglandins???
If you give corn oil(increases prostaglandins) to protect your horse from ulcers while giving bute(to reduce prostaglandins) then what???
Nutrition makes my head hurt.
Horses are complicated organisms. You simply can’t extrapolate simple cause and effect the way the nutraceutical companies seem to like to do.
Prostaglandins ARE associated with pain and inflammation. However, there are indeed numerous TYPES of prostaglandins, some of which are not as involved with the inflammatory response.
We cannot and SHOULD not be making these massive intuitive leaps. The questions generated can only be answered by good, well-done research.
But hell, if I owned a company that sold a nutraceutical and I could charge THREE DOLLARS AN OUNCE for the stuff and people would buy it with NO proof, why would I bother with the research?
Did you go look at this company? www.kamanimalservices.com
Now THAT is the most expensive stuff I’ve EVER seen. Holy cow! $175 for a pound and a half of their ulcer stuff :eek:
Oh yeah, they’re one of my favorites. Love the introduction, aimed straight at the guilty, angst-ridden heart of every helicopter horse owner out there with deep pockets:
Have you had a horse diagnosed with insulin resistance, ulcers, allergies, lameness, back pain, colic, hoof problems, arthritis and so on? Do you struggle to determine the best nutrition for your horses and become completely overwhelmed by the vast array of feeds and supplements available? Are you frustrated by the difficulty of sifting through all the propaganda and marketing hype to find factual and helpful information?
Just buy our stuff and ALL of your worries will be over! :lol: But it’s NOT propaganda or marketing hype, OH NO. Our stuff is DIFFERENT.
