[UPDATE] Horse Industry in Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachussetts

MA is all about location - but yeah, most counties do not have the same tax as CT. Taxes in MA are high but nothing compared to CT. Taxes in NH are also deceptively high. I live less than 15m from the NH border - I don’t think NH has the same horse-scene that MA does, though it is very close. Like another poster, I considered moving out to NH until I looked at the taxes involved. Some parts of MA are much cheaper.

One thing to consider, as someone who has lived in all of these states (except CT, but I have spent a lot of time in CT), is whether or not your riding goals (yours and your client’s) include riding all winter. You will at minimum need an indoor for VT and NY if you want to ride all year. Which means your client base will likely either decide ot pull shoes, or keep shoes year round - here, if you’re not riding year-round most people pull shoes. You could get away with it in CT and MA, but you would likely not be able to do W/T/C without an indoor where I am. There are weeks where I can’t do anything more than walk because of ice under the snow and I am not a wuss about footing (eventer). The cold is not so bad but the winters are awful - lots of snow, lots of ice under the snow, rain, snow again, etc… and still way better than winters in VT.

VT can get really cold. It is also, as another poster said, very rocky - if you buy uncleared land you will probably remove more ledge than tree, in the end it might not be as good a deal as you thought it was. VT summers are sweet, wonderful, and painfully short - and their winter is very long and cold.

The riding population in VT is not as dense as you’d think; there are segments, but not meccas, IMHO - so professionals are not easy to come by and you are stuck with whoever is local, flaws and all.

The same goes for upstate NY. There is lots of land, but you’d be surprised how little horses - I found lots of isolated pockets. NY at least has some serious meccas where you can get good professionals, but there is a lot of land in NY so do your research on the area first. I had a very hard time finding good, qualified, educated professionals when I lived in upstate NY. Horse keeping in the country is very different than the horse-keeping I grew up with in central MA. Speaking to a vet in the area, she said things are just different there.

Land in NY can be very, very cheap - same with RE tax, but not income tax. There are trade-offs.

In MA, we have a ton of farriers and I am with Soloudinhere that many of them are underwhelming. I have had that be the case in every state I have lived in, except in SC (Aiken). Our vets are for the most part, fantastic, and we have several top schools very close. We could use more dentists, and have a good assortment of saddle-fitters, chiropractors, and massage professionals nearby.

NH is similar to MA for the most part, in my experience, though I think there are less showing opportunities in NH.

If I did not have my job to contend with, where I am very competitively paid and would not find someone to match it, I would move to western MA - the taxes suck but the land is cheap, and it is still close enough for all the horse things we need.

Also, re: farriers and what they charge.

There is honestly only one “specialty” farrier I would be comfortable recommending in this area and his prices are steep, last I checked he was in the $425 ballpark for 4 shoes, that doesn’t include pads or drilling & tapping. Once you get into specialty-shoe territory he is easily beyond $475.

My current farrier, who is dependable, amicable and does fine with our horses charges $180 for my horse that is 4 shoes, rim pads up front. $120 for fronts only, and $45 for a trim, I believe (I don’t have any trimmed).

I’ve had a few farriers in this area and say ballpark, trim is $30-50, fronts are $120-140, and four are $140-200.

Born and raised Vermonter, here.

Yes, VT gets cold. But no worse really than other parts of New England. Our winters just tend to be longer, although a winter in the south is very different from say a winter near Lake Champlain and even more different than in the Northeast Kingdom. I’ve also lived here my whole life, so not much shocks me when it comes to weather. It is what is it.

The land issue is real. I don’t agree so much with the rocky/you will have to clear/more ledge than anything assessment. It really depends on where you look, but no matter where you end up land prices are at a premium, moreso for anything flat and grassy. If you are seriously considering VT, look outside of Chittenden county - this is by far the worst county in terms of housing cost, and land is exponentially more expensive.

There is always a need for good, competent, business-like farriers in the state, so as long as you aren’t living completely in the boonies and your husband is willing to service a decent sized area, he’d probably do just fine up here. He’d be even better off if he shoes and is knowledgeable about therapeutic shoeing applications - we’ve lost a couple really good farriers in the last few years and the few really good shoers for tough cases rarely take on new clients.

There are horses everywhere, but the more rural you get the fewer barns you see and the more you see folks with horses in their backyards/on their own properties. Your husband will have to travel for work anyway, so I’d choose an area that makes sense for you economically, school-wise if you have children, and then define his travel parameters from there.

Some of the more populated horse areas are pretty much anywhere in Chittenden county, the Woodstock/Quechee area, southern Vermont near Dover/Londonderry, Stowe/Waterbury area, larger cities near the Massachusetts border…there are probably more but those are the ones I’m familiar with.

I trim my own equines, but a trim will set you back anywhere from 40-60 where I am. Trim all four plus front shoes 120-150, shod all around 150-200+. Anything therapeutic, even if it’s just fronts, is easily 200+.

It’s a lovely state - but the COL is problematic, I will admit.

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Here just went up to $50 for a trim and $90 if it has front shoes, $100 if shod all around with resets, don’t know if with new shoes.

Farriers here ask what they want and we just pay whatever they ask.

In metrowest Boston, I pay $65 for a trim from someone who is educated about hoof anatomy. She only comes every eight weeks, though, and I would happily pay for every 4.

Many farriers around here seem to start out good, and then just start doing the most generic, universal trim they can, just “phoning it in,” and while in the beginning they may tell you they are happy to work with your philosophy and your vet, the moment you start asking even the most respectful questions about what they’re not doing (even if they used to do it, like short toes and low heels), they vanish. They seem to be an independent breed. :slight_smile:

I would think there would be room for someone professional, educated, responsive, and experienced.

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yeah I agree!

I just moved to Western Mass this spring. Lots of horse activity here in the Pioneer Valley and adjacent hill towns. I am still trying to get an appointment with a recommended farrier – have had to make do with an apprentice guy as the three local people ‘everyone’ uses are all fully booked all the time. Luckily my horses are barefoot/booted. People are educated and picky out here. I would be surprised if a talented, competent, responsible shoer would not find a client base.

I would say for Massachusetts at least to be sure to check the tax rate of the township of any property you are interested in as they vary a LOT.

Massachusetts is not going to be a giant surprise, winter wise, if you live in central Pennsylvania. Northern Vermont, sure. But that’s probably going to be too remote for you anyway.

Mind PMing me who you’re using? I’m having a bear of a time replacing a guy I don’t like much and I’m not far from you.

Thanks for all the info, everyone! I think this post has pretty well convinced my husband that we would do well up there… it sounds like his talents would be appreciated. He is a very good farrier, in my opinion (which is only kind of biased because I have extremely high standards for horse care haha), and excellent with the horses, but I also know from being a horse owner that being reliable, punctual, and easy to get a hold of is what often what sets you apart in the farrier world. He is definitely all of those things.

We originally intended to stay close to the Brattleboro, VT area, and it seems that would put us within decent proximity to the areas of Massachusetts that have a larger population of horses.

I think I’ll update this post if and when we move up there and in case some of you in the area are interested in spreading the word to horse owners who might be interested, or may even be interested for your own horses.

I’m in the Albany NY area and we lost a couple of good farriers in the last few years. We’d love a good farrier to move to the area. Eastern VT is a bit far away from us, Bennington isn’t bad.

Why not try if that is what you want?

Go light, so you won’t be encumbered if once there you don’t quite like it.

If something doesn’t work, the weather or whatever, you can always keep looking for a different place.

I lived in the Manchester/Dorset/Danby area of VT. Property prices are outrageous. They have a ‘view tax’. If you have a lovely mountain view, you pay extra for it. You pay luxury tax. Most large farms have their own farrier on staff. Beautiful country…to visit. I’d recommend taking a vacation in the area you like & find out what it’s really like.Talk to locals. Visit barns.Talk to the barn owners. The riding season is very short there…as a few people have pointed out. Good luck with whatever you choose!

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The Southern part of VT seems to get the worst weather and I’m a long time Vermonter. I live in the corner of NY and Canada and it’s a hit or miss. On the the southern part of the state, there is the ocean and other weather fronts coming in in. We get nailed with a couple storms a year. But we need good farriers up here.

Every time a Nor’easter hits the mid-Atlantic states, I just watch it roll by Pennsylvania/NJ and slam Long Island, CT, RI, ME and MA.

UPDATE:

Well, we took the plunge! Just got back from Brattleboro and we signed a lease and we’ll be moving up this fall! If any of you are still looking for a farrier in the area or know of people who might be, please feel free to contact me!

I’m going to post the link to my husband’s website. I’m not sure if that is against the rules, so admins, feel free to remove this part of my post if its not allowed. Thanks!
https://www.heckertfarrierservice.com/

Thanks for the encouragement everyone! We’re so excited to be making this move and following our dreams.

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