UPDATE!! Post 26, Sort Of Successful...-17.2hh+ Draft That Practically Falls Over When Picking Feet Up

I need ideas desperately. I just pulled a 20+ year old, 17.2hh+ Belgian gelding from auction. His feet are BAD and look like they haven’t been done in quite some time. The farrier is on his way out but I have just discovered that when you pick any of his feet up he practically falls over. He is blind in one eye, so I am not sure if that is causing a problem with balance or if his legs are weak or what. I do not think he is safe to trim, but his feet desperately need done.

Short of sedating him to the point that that he is on the ground, any suggestions? I have a call in with the vet for his input and will discuss with the farrier when he gets here as well but we need to figure out a way to trim him in the near future.

Can he hold a foot up & keep it on the shoer’s jack?
At least you could address the fronts if that’s possible.
Sorry, that’s all I got, but farrier might have some ideas as well.
Good Luck & bless you for giving this old guy a chance.

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Can he be put into a stall and allowed to lean against the wall on the side that the farrier isn’t working on?

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For older horses that have difficulty with the farrier, I use a combination of things. First of all, I give an appropriate dose of Bute the night before/morning before the farrier comes. These horses hurt, and making them comfortable really helps. Then, I use a small amount of IV dormosedan as a sedative. These horses know it is going to hurt, and they tense up in anticipation of pain or in reaction to pain and make the situation worse. Dormosedan (as prescribed by a veterinarian) provides some relaxation which often seems to help greatly.

A horse that nearly falls down when you pick up a foot probably deserves a vet visit to quickly rule out a neurologic problem. It’s possible that your vet would have some other ideas as well. IME, blind horses have zero issues standing for the farrier, I doubt that’s the issue.

You may see a dramatic improvement in the ability to pick the horse’s feet up after a dose or two of bute. If you don’t, I’m going to be very honest here, I think that it is unrealistic /unkind to keep a horse that is too uncomfortable to tolerate basic farrier care in a safe manner. Not being able to hold up one leg for a couple minutes can be an indicator that a horse is significantly physically unwell or in pain. It was an incredibly kind deed to rescue this horse, even if it ends up that you did it only to give him a few good weeks and a painless end.

I would urge you also to consider the point that your farrier is likely not going to be excited about this project. Farriers do not in general like to work on draft horses, let alone a draft horse that can hardly stand on three legs. Would you want to? I don’t know how good your relationship with your farrier is, but this is not going to endear you to him or her. Be prepared to pay extra/give a tip.

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Get vet to block the hooves and lower legs. It works well. Vet of course will need to do the blocking at time of farrier visit.
Thanks for pulling that poor horse out of the auction.

Thanks for the input. I 100% agree with you that if t is indeed a pain issue that can’t be reasonably resolved it is kindest to let him go. I’m hoping that’s not it, but hey, he had to have been dumped at auction for a reason and I don’t think t was because of his blindness since he functions perfectly fine. We tried standing him next to a wall and it didn’t help as he then started to lean backwards. The first 5 Minutes he did okay, but after that it became too unsafe and too much of a struggle. He was just seen by my vet yesterday and she did not believe he showed any neurological symptoms. The vet also didn’t believe that him being blind would be the cause of this. I have a call into them to ask for bute and sedation and we will try again. If we still have the same issue I will have to make a decision. Safety of the team on the ground comes first, followed by safety/comfort of the horse.

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Sounds like you have a very reasonable outlook on the situation, I wish you the best of luck!

Dormosedan also comes as a gel, but I would recommend the IV injection if you can–it’s quick, easy and provides a very reliable level of sedation. If you have not done IV injections before, they are not difficult and this is probably a good horse to learn on. Just remember, even sedated horses can move/react suddenly and without warning or behave in a disinhibited manner, so even if things are going smoothly be sure to maintain a high level of attention/caution both for yourself and your farrier.

It’s possible once his feet are under control that he will be more comfortable standing for farrier.

For what it’s worth I understand it is fairly common to use a kind of stocks for shoeing drafts, never seen one IRL.

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I imagine there is some pain component which it sounds that you are ready to treat.

My friend’s Belgian draft cross has trouble standing when the left front is up. She sways and leans and just makes it difficult for the trimmer. She has never found a reason. She is sound and her feet are in good shape. What worked with her is putting a hay bag in her face. She stands perfectly still with that.
again, I am guessing that you are dealing with a pain issue. If his feet haven’t been attended to for awhile…oh boy. Could be lots of reasons for his reluctance to lift a foot.

Bless you for giving him a soft landing.

Susan

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Sounds like he has always been shod in stocks and doesn’t know how to balance correctly as he’s used to leaning on the stocks.

I would try some of the TTouch exercises and teach him to pick up his feet via a tap on the shoulder.

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I would also be guessing arthritis. Some farriers are much much better at dealing with horses in this state than others. If you can pick up the feet while minimizing joint flexion he may be able to tolerate more, and the more you can practice and experiment at home, the more likely it is your farrier will be able to work with him successfully.

Definitely set it up as a problem solving exercise, maybe ideally with the farrier and vet both out together, and be sure you pay the farrier for the extra time. Good luck to all in finding a safe and pleasant answer.

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This! He has probably only been done in stocks. Often times the leg is tied up. The draft I got from the kill pen was very difficult to do his feet. But he also didn’t want any part of his legs being touched initially.

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My thoughts as well. Despite his feet being really bad, you may have to just go really slow, one hoof at a time until he learns how to hold his feet up. Good luck and what a nice thing you did for this horse.

Drafts are prone to Shivers and are more sensitive to Vit E deficiencies. My half draft had trouble with hind for farrier until he was stabilized with high doses of natural Vit E. He is now maintained with 8,000IU/day when fresh grass is not available.

Until he was stabilized, we did need to sedate for trimming and use a hoof jack.

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Probably only shod in something like this. https://workinghorsetack.com/draft-haflinger-horseshoeing-stocks-p/1017-1000.htm

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I have seen a horse shod/trimmed in stocks (and vet work done in stocks as well). At a previous barn the owner bought a Percheron mare. She was completely sound and had been trained to drive. But she had no idea how to stand to be trimmed (basically she would either lean so heavily on the farrier that he couldn’t take it or else she’d begin to go down), and was terrified of needles.

The owner ended up buying a set of used stocks from a farm dispersal sale. Problem solved. The mare had been trained to walk quietly into the stocks and she was fine.

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My vote is he is used to stocks. Bute, then practice. You don’t have to do 5 min at once, try 1, then 2.
i would try to get his feet under control before deciding anything. Feet make a huge difference. My self, i work with the hesitant ones with a lead rope to keep myself safe, and to practice. I gently put it behind their leg, ask them to pick it up, hold it however long, then release. If i need to, I can just quickly drop the rope. You just need a long rope with a big guy.
Bless you for helping them- hoping for a good solution!

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Thanks guys. Right now I can’t afford stocks. It has been an expensive month between paying bail for these two new geldings, almost $1000 in vet bills for them plus my third boy, blankets, supplements, etc.

I have been trying to practice with him every day, but I am not having much luck. Occasionally I can pick up one of his front legs and hold it for 10-15 seconds before he becomes unstable and/or decides he is done with this whole thing… after that one time, he gets smart and will not allow me to pick up his front feet for more than a few seconds. His back feet I can’t even pick up at all. He will kick and/or step forward, and his leg is so damn heavy I can’t do much to hold it if he wants to step forward.

The vet is dropping off bute and sedation tomorrow. I hope it helps… otherwise I’m not sure what we are going to do. Putting him in a stall is a no-go… he freaks out. We tried putting him up against the side of the barn but the farrier was worried that it would make the situation more unsafe. I’ll be discussing with my BO in the morning to see if he has any ideas.

Callista17: I will try the lead rope idea if I can figure out exactly how you’re doing it. I am not fully understanding the concept.

Loop the rope around the Pasternak below the fetlock and hold both ends. Then you can pull the hoof up and hold it until they get used to it. I also desensitize them with a dressage whip tapping all over the legs before I get down where they can cow kick at me, especially with an older horse that is bad with its hind feet.

you can drop the rope easily if they panic and you can stand by the neck/shoulder which is a lot safer place to be…that is a big advantage of the rope. It just teaches them to give to pressure and hold a foot up.

for now you may be able to haul to a place with stocks and borrow them to get his feet done. Maybe your vet knows a nice person with a set of stocks. Or maybe your vet has some you could “rent” for an hour. Also, your farrier probably needs to be experienced with stocks if you haven’t used them before. Not all farriers work on drafts regularly (or at all, some won’t do them) Best of luck!

Clicker training can be very helpful.Go slow, but you pick up his hoof and while you’re still holding it, click and treat. You can use small pieces of carrot as treats. If you don’t have a clicker, pop your tongue off the roof of your mouth (you want a noise that is distinctive).

Gradually (over a period of multiple days) increase the amount of time you hold the hoof before clicking and treating.

Horses get the clicker training idea pretty fast.

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