Updated barisone lawsuit 10/29/21 post 851

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@SierraMist

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@Sdel

Another reminder….the warrant associated with RC was recalled within 2 hours of being issued. It also lists the date of the incident as 2 days before the shooting.

Could that be another example of inept police practices (the date)?

A warrant can be recalled if the defendant’s attorney contacts the court or appears on behalf of the defendant. If they were advised the charges were coming, the attorney for RC could have immediately contacted the court, which is why it may have been recalled within 2 hours. If a suspect/defendant is cooperating, many times the prosecutor or police will give courtesy notice to the defendant’s attorney when the arrest warrant is issued.

A judge issues a warrant, not the police, although the police are generally the ones to request an arrest warrant. The prosecutor can also request an arrest warrant.

My comment was regarding the warrant being issued two days before the shooting.

[SierraMist]

@LilRanger

Oh, they are out there. We found a day laborer at home depot (husband hired to do yard work) who turned out to be a very skilled cabinet maker. He has his own tools he bought from other jobs. He built all of kitchen cabinets on location. We lucked out. He offered to do the plumbing, but we had to get that inspected so went with a llicensed\ bonded guy.

I don’t know how things have been since Covid, but I agree - there were always handymen, day laborers or laborers looking for jobs from contractors or individuals at Home Depot, Menards, Lowes. Usually there would be several there first thing in the morning when they opened.

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@La-LaPopRider

@BrendaJane

from what I gather, if one shoots a 9mm Ruger up close to center mass, the target is pretty much dead.

QFP
#flatlinedtwice

And therefore shouldn’t have been able to beat MB about the head to the point of breaking one’s phone. That is unless the person was shot after the beating began. I wasn’t there, just curious about superhuman strength.

[SierraMist]

@eggbutt

@SierraMist

@eggbutt

@Sdel

Another reminder….the warrant associated with RC was recalled within 2 hours of being issued. It also lists the date of the incident as 2 days before the shooting.

Could that be another example of inept police practices (the date)?

A warrant can be recalled if the defendant’s attorney contacts the court or appears on behalf of the defendant. If they were advised the charges were coming, the attorney for RC could have immediately contacted the court, which is why it may have been recalled within 2 hours. If a suspect/defendant is cooperating, many times the prosecutor or police will give courtesy notice to the defendant’s attorney when the arrest warrant is issued.

A judge issues a warrant, not the police, although the police are generally the ones to request an arrest warrant. The prosecutor can also request an arrest warrant.

My comment was regarding the warrant being issued two days before the shooting.

Perhaps the Judge or the Judge’s Clerk made an error on the date…it happens.

[Sdel]

@SierraMist

A warrant can be recalled if the defendant’s attorney contacts the court or appears on behalf of the defendant. If they were advised the charges were coming, the attorney for RC could have immediately contacted the court, which is why it may have been recalled within 2 hours.

Ok….clarification of sorts.

The warrant was issued in mid October. It was recalled within 2 hours of being issued. The incident date of the charges was 8/5, two days before the shooting. LK directly says the charges aren’t about RC having the gun in NJ and are “more serious” and hints around that they are about giving MB the gun to murder her.

Then we have IM who basically said nothing is happening with these charges…….because NJ doesn’t want to deal with them because RC was out of state/charge a 70 year old lady.

Well, they knew all this before the warrant….so if they didn’t intend to do anything because she’s old then why did they bother issuing the warrant. If she turned herself in and agreed to go back to NJ for the charges…the her being in NC wasn’t a reason to not deal with the charges.

ETA: RC’s official position is that she denies knowledge or ownership/possession/yards yada of the gun used to shoot LK.

[SierraMist]

@eggbutt

@La-LaPopRider

@BrendaJane

from what I gather, if one shoots a 9mm Ruger up close to center mass, the target is pretty much dead.

QFP
#flatlinedtwice

And therefore shouldn’t have been able to beat MB about the head to the point of breaking one’s phone. That is unless the person was shot after the beating began. I wasn’t there, just curious about superhuman strength.

Oh come on. It’s entirely possible to function for a short time after being shot due to adrenaline. We don’t know what happened here, but you can’t say it’s impossible. I just heard a news story where a gunshot victim with several bullet wounds drove himself to the hospital emergency room.

[3PonyFarm]

Wasn’t the date discrepancy on the police report that was filled out? I believe it listed the offense date as 8/5/19.

Edited to include-the police report completed by D Heymer was dated 8/5/19 as the offense date.

[SierraMist]

@Sdel

@SierraMist

A warrant can be recalled if the defendant’s attorney contacts the court or appears on behalf of the defendant. If they were advised the charges were coming, the attorney for RC could have immediately contacted the court, which is why it may have been recalled within 2 hours.

Ok….clarification of sorts.

The warrant was issued in mid October. It was recalled within 2 hours of being issued. The incident date of the charges was 8/5, two days before the shooting. LK directly says the charges aren’t about RC having the gun in NJ and are “more serious” and hints around that they are about giving MB the gun to murder her.

Then we have IM who basically said nothing is happening with these charges…….because NJ doesn’t want to deal with them because RC was out of state/charge a 70 year old lady.

Well, they knew all this before the warrant….so if they didn’t intend to do anything because she’s old then why did they bother issuing the warrant. If she turned herself in and agreed to go back to NJ for the charges…the her being in NC wasn’t a reason to not deal with the charges.

ETA: RC’s official position is that she denies knowledge or ownership/possession/yards yada of the gun used to shoot LK.

I’ve skipped over a lot of posts so didn’t know RC or her attorney filed information that she denied it was her gun. I thought perhaps she was cooperating with prosecution and that’s why they haven’t moved forward with the illegal gun case.

[Sdel]

It was in the civil lawsuit/counter claims. I posted screenshots of the relevant section. I can repost them if you want.

I understand there have been lots of sneering about lawyers telling lies in these claims, but I cannot imagine that if RC has active/pending charges from 2019, that her attorneys in 2020 would put such statements into the civil suit….

[SierraMist]

@Sdel

It was in the civil lawsuit/counter claims. I posted screenshots of the relevant section. I can repost them if you want.

I understand there have been lots of sneering about lawyers telling lies in these claims, but I cannot imagine that if RC has active/pending charges from 2019, that her attorneys in 2020 would put such statements into the civil suit….

Was that in the civil suit filed by LK? And RC’s attorney filed an answer to the complaint denying any knowledge of the gun? I can’t keep up. LOL Don’t go to any trouble reposting, I can meander around and find it when I have time. Attorneys embellish all the time, and usually the truth or close to the truth finally all comes out in discovery, and if it doesn’t then a judge or jury gets to decide which version to believe.

[Sdel]

@SierraMist

Was that in the civil suit filed by LK? And RC’s attorney filed an answer to the complaint denying any knowledge of the gun?

Yes. I just think that it’s hard to be “without knowledge” of owning a gun when that gun is supposed to be yours……and if it was known/proven to be yours, why would you bother to make the claim you don’t know anything about owning it….

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@SierraMist

but you can’t say it’s impossible.

I didn’t.

[Angela_Freda]

@Sdel

ETA: RC’s official position is that she denies knowledge or ownership/possession/yards yada of the gun used to shoot LK.

Well, that is interesting.

[clipper]

@Equkelly

That’s not what empathy is. Empathy = \ = defending somebody.

Empathy means the ability to share and understand the feelings of another. For instance if I have lost a child I could empathize with another parent who has lost a child. Has nothing to do with defending anything/anyone.

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How appropriate…Frozen is on tonight!

[LexInVA]

I’ve never fully watched Frozen. I started it once, on Netflix, but never finished it. I’m trying to wrap my head around the fact that Disney’s Frozen String Cheese is an actual product, on the shelves of supermarkets, nationwide.

[SierraMist]

Not hard at all. Almost every defendant pleads not guilty in criminal cases, or denies knowledge in civil cases. It buys time to try to plead down to a lesser charge. It buys time or wears the other side down to negotiate a settlement. Large civil cases are usually a paper war - inundate the other side with as much paperwork as possible, make the litigation as costly as possible. Sometimes protracted litigation is necessary, many times unnecessary.

In any event, it’s better to go legal than to go to jail, as in this case. It’s far less expensive to pay an attorney to handle a pain in the butt civil legal problem than to take the law in your own hands out of anger and frustration and end up forfeiting your life savings and freedom.

[Sdel]

@SierraMist

Almost every defendant pleads not guilty in criminal cases, or denies knowledge in civil cases.

Still doesn’t explain the going nowhere charges or lack of court date for RC.

[SierraMist]

Unless she’s making a deal as a witness for the prosecution.

[Equkelly]

@clipper

Empathy means the ability to share and understand the feelings of another. For instance if I have lost a child I could empathize with another parent who has lost a child. Has nothing to do with defending anything/anyone.

That’s my point. = / = means “does not equal”